Episode 4x15 [Stand By Me]

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So, obviously I loved this episode!

I'm still on a high after we got a Bamon hug. Ughh, I loved it. And freaking Elena thinks Damon even loves Bonnie. I'm sorry but the rest of the episode is a blur. LOL

Seriously though, it was heartbreaking. Honestly though, Bonnie and Matt touched me more than Elena did. I just am not a fan of ND and crying scenes. It was sad nonetheless though.

I freaking called that Silas was in Shane because he was acting so pushy and so weird and then the hallucination he gave Bonnie. I'm worried for Bonnie though.

And after this episode, I truly believe that Jeremy is gone for good. It makes me sad because I loved Jeremy/Beremy, but I can't help but be happy about potentially getting more Bamon--which is ultimately my main ship.

Oh, and can't help but notice the parallel for SE, when Stefan was forced to turn off his humanity last season and now Elena was forced to turn hers off. Anyway, can't wait to see what happens next.

I kind of figured Jeremy wouldn't be coming back. First because of that KG interview that said the death would stick. I still hoped he would come back though, but kinda felt he wouldn't. What completely sold me on the fact Jeremy is gone for good, was burning his body in the Gilbert house along with the rest of their stuff. If he does come back, and this is my opinion, it'll be so Elena can get closure and grieve and move on. I think this bring down the veil sl will allow Elena to see Jeremy so he can tell her he wants her to move on, enjoy her life, and that he found peace now. That's the only way I see him coming back.

Elena was so great in her scenes, I loved them all. Nina killed that episode with her denial and finally acceptance. I didn't cry or anything, but I felt really bad that Elena lost her last family member. I think Jeremy was killed purely for shock value. I don't get why Katherine couldn't have used Vaughn? But I'll get to that later. I loved Elena's denial when she thought Jeremy would be ok. I was so sad for her, but I thought there could be a chance because what she said made sense. Jeremy's tattoo was gone, so maybe he was no longer a hunter, which means the ring could have worked. It actually was logical and I could see why she was so sure he was coming back. Then later, when she realized the truth, it was so horrible. I laughed at her "How long has he smelled like that" line, lol. And when she begged Damon(?) to make it stop, that it hurt, i felt even worse for her. Some DE fans was mad that Damon used the sire bond to make her turn it off, but I wasn't.

Damon gets stuff done. He doesn't mind doing whatever it takes, good or bad, as long as he protects his loved ones. He'll make all the hard decisions and be the bad guy, making the controversy decisions no one else wants to make, just to protect those he loves, and that's what he did. Elena begged him to make it stop? He made it stop. I don't see the big deal honestly. JP even said in a interview that Elena would have turned it off herself anyway. Now what I don't care for, is that blame will be placed on him, so I get why some was like, oh great, now something else to blame Damon for.

I didn't get Jeremy dying. It was for shock value to me. Even Katherine, imo, was fanservice and shock value. You can't tell me she just so happens to be in NO, just so happens to run into Vaughn and Hayley, and both just jump on board with her plan and helps her. Then she arrives on the island undetected, goes into their camp undetected and steals the headstone, enters and leaves the cave undetected, and leaves the island undetected? If she's that great at being invisible and remaining undetected, why is she even afraid of Klaus? Seriously?

And I don't see why she couldn't have just used Vaughn to feed Silas. Wouldn't that have had the same outcome, her getting the cure? She could just as easily have used Vaughn, so yeah. Plus JP said Elena had to lose Jeremy so she can switch off, and so they(the writers) can "Play around" with no humanity Elena. Her words not mine. I thought it was lame, both Jeremy dying and Katherine just popping up outta nowhere, especially after not being in Mystic falls since s3 when she told Stefan to feel again.

Damon was awesome this episode. I loved him teasing Rebekah and their dynamic with one another. It was cute. I also loved him putting Rebekah in front of the arrow to save himself. And I loved him making Vaughn his bitch. He was probably waiting for that moment since 4x14 lol. Damon and Rebekah teaming up to torture Vaughn and get information out of him was great. Can Damon and Rebekah have scenes more often?

I liked Damon helping Elena and telling her to turn it off. I felt that had she wanted to not do it, she would have protested. She has done that before, protest when he tells her to do something she doesn't want to do. So I took her silence as her wanting to turn it off. Plus JP's interview pretty much confirmed she would have anyway, so *shrug*

Bamon: It was so great I saved it for last. Loved Damon and Bonnie hugging each other. Others thought it was OOC. huh? How? I thought it was really sweet. Elena totally gets Damon. She gets "Damon logic", that he's mean to the people he loves. I def. think Bonnie does love Bonnie, and Caroline, and Matt, and Stefan, even though he's a dick to them 99% of the time and pretend he doesn't care about them at all. Like Damon with Shane in 4x13, where he said he didn't care about Bonnie. If he didn't he wouldn't have stayed behind to look for her. Matt was right, Stefan could have done it, but Damon stayed behind to make sure she was ok. He looked so relieved that she was ok and safe. And he even initiated their hug. Hell, even in the episode he said he didn't care about her, he still stayed behind at the camp, and he even defended her when Shane wouldn't answer her questions. IT's canon now that Damon loves Bonnie. Take that Bamon haters!

ETA: Rightt, Shane/Silas. I figured it was Silas as soon as he gave Bonnie the vision of Jeremy dying and she tried to save him. But I'm confused though. He's a shapeshifter? Or is it just an illusion of Shane? Like, what I mean, is Silas just giving Bonnie a vision/illusion of Shane, or is he actually a shapeshifter and he took on Shane's appearance?

Oh, and where do you guys think they're taking Bamon from this episode onward? Good stuff to look forward to?

Someone else to discuss the episode with, yay lol.

But, yea. Jeremy is definitely gone for good. I agree, that he will only come back as a ghost to help Elena move on, as well as Bonnie. So many post interviews focused so much on Elena, but Bonnie was just as hurt and affected by it. She had been spending the most time with Jeremy before his death and they were so close. So, I think Jeremy's ghost will come back to help them both. I can understand why it had to be Jeremy to die because like I said it's not just Elena, it's Bonnie. She went way off the deep end and is ready to go against all of her moral values and wreak hell on earth just to bring him back. So, they needed someone close to both Elena and Bonnie in order for both girls to lose their marbles.

I loved All Elena scenes except when she cried. When she stared off into space and was numb looking it was really great. And when she was consoling Matt. I hear people keep saying how great Matt was, and he was great in his scene where he first saw Jeremy's body. But, this may be an unpopular opinion, but when he was his truck breaking down. I laughed, I'm sorry but he looked constipated and those noises he made. That scene didn't touch me at all.

As for why she didn't use Vaughn. This confused me, but I guess it's like that scene where Stefan didn't save both Matt and Elena--it was needed for the plot. As well as I guess since she was working with Vaughn, but at the same time she was about to bit his neck until Jeremy said Hunter's curse. So, I don't get that part. I don't know, that was confusing. And it was kinda weird how they threw the Kat stuff in there. I think they should have been showing us throughout the season that there was someone watching them, you know? And not just in the episode before it went down. I guess though they kinda did with that guy trying to steal the useless ass headstone thing. I don't know. Some stuff just seemed out of place, but overall this season has been really good to me.

And Damon does get stuff done. I am mixed on the turn off feelings thing because I can understand why he did it, because he thought it was the right thing and he thought he would be able to easily have her turn it back on if she got too bad. But with the sire bond being emotions based (JP's words) then will he still be able to use the sire bond on her?? So that may be an issue further along. And then her humanity is something she valued and he could have told her something along how he did when Jeremy went missing during MMF pageant that calmed her down. So, I'm not mad at Damon for it, but maybe there was another way to help, so i don't know. Who is going to blame him? I read that JP said he won't get blamed for it in a post episode interview. I think if some DE fans were mad, they are probably thinking that this will set DE back when she gets her humanity back and see how she was acting. I honestly believe she will pick Damon the end of this season though.

And Damon was really good this episode. And not because of the Bamon hug. I really do love Damon, but I love all of the characters except Klaus. Anyway, back to Damon. He was so focused on Bonnie, he said her name like 8 or 9 times. My second favorite scene was when Damon and Bonnie got back to MF and Bonnie and Caroline had their cute moment, and he said, "Caroline. I need to talk to my brother." It gave me chills. He was so serious, and at a time where he should have been rushing in to check on Elena, he was too busy being worried about Bonnie. So, it has been a lot of drama on tumblr about how it was just for Elena and some Beremy and DE fans calling Bamon fans delusional about being happy about it. But it wasn't just for Elena. Stefan was going to find out the plan because Bonnie was happy to share, he was concerned. And as Damon is usually sarcastic and quick to tell someone how dumb and crazy a plan is. He didn't do that to Bonnie. And the hug, oh God, that hug was everything to me. Because it had nothing to do with Elena. How would hugging Bonnie benefit Elena?

But as far as Damon loves all of the MF gang. I don't agree with that. He obviously loves Elena and Stefan. Jeremy, I think maybe in his own way he cared about him. But Matt and Caroline, I don't think he loves them at all. I don't think had it been Caroline left behind that Damon would have stayed to find. I honestly don't think he would have, he would have told Stefan. I don't think he wants her dead and I don't think he hates her but Love, I don't think so. And Matt as well, he doesn't even know Matt, like at all. He just tried to kill him twice. I really think he is indifferent to Matt, TBH. That could certainly change in the future, but as of now I don't think so.

Now, Shane/Silas. I think he is some sort of shape shifter. I think he had other powers like the power of manipulation and the power to shape shift when he became immortal, so he only lost his witch powers. I felt bad for Shane, he did all that to be reunited with his wife and son and he still won't because he died a human so his wife is in purgatory and he isn't with her still. It's sad.

I definitely think Bamon is headed in a positive direction and I, personally, am excited about it. It is being too heavily foreshadowed not to have something more come out of it. I mean what the hell was that, "I actually think he kinda loves her" about. I mean she could have said really likes or even cares about her, but she specifically said loves. And while I know it was in a friendly context, they could have easily used a lesser word because not in 3 1/2 seasons did Elena know how she felt about Damon, but she knows he loves Bonnie. I don't know it was just....such a good thing for Bamon fans.

Do you have tumblr? We have been celebrating since Thursday night lol. Getting attacked by some Berermy and DE fans and some Datherine fans . Told us that we were pathetic idiots because Jeremy had to die for Bamon to happen. What kinda shit is that? Smh.

Yup, I def. think it's over for him. Honestly, I wasn't really invested in him as a character, but I loved him and Elena's relationship and their bond. And for that reason only was I sad he's gone. Because Elena has no one left now, and I think that's really shitty reality for a 18 yr old girl still in High school. I've noticed though that there are people who still think he'll come back. I mean, I'm not against it, if he does then cool but I'm not sure he is though. I could see it going either way, where the veil sl is to bring him back but they have to figure out how to send the others back. Or where it's used to allow both Bonnie and Elena closure and move on. Who knows, maybe this will bring the girls, mostly Elena and Bonnie, closer together and get their friendship back on track.

I laughed at Matt's scene where he cried to, but I still thought it was so sad for these kids. All of them have lost lots of people and continue to do so, all because of these supernatural creatures that came to their town. It sucks for them. I thought him breaking down was so emotional, but those weird noises made me LOL.

I didn't get the Katherine stuff at all. She's been shown to not be above double-crossing those she's working with, so she just as easily could have used Vaughn. Like you said, she was about to kill him if not for Jeremy reminding her about the hunter's curse. So I don't get why Jeremy had to be used specifically, and if it was because of plot purposes they could have done it better. Maybe have Jeremy actually kick Vaughn's ass, Bonnie still be hurt but unconscious, and Katherine come in and have to use Jeremy because he's the only one still conscious. Or something, I'm not a writer so I'm sure they could have came up with a different scenario.

JP said in one of those numerous interviews yesterday, that the sire bond won't work because Elena doesn't feel anymore or care anymore. And that Elena would have eventually switched off herself, so I don't see the problem. Elena didn't even protest or argue, and it was more than a few seconds where Damon was quiet, when she could have done so. Then he continue with telling her to turn it off. I don't see the big deal personally. He's made way more controversial decisions in the past. Yup, and JP said no one would blame him, not even Elena so I'm cool with his decision. From what I've seen from DE fans, most think he should have waited because all she was doing was crying and wasn't out of control. From others they wanted her to switch off herself, because they are tired of Elena being perfect. Everything Elena has done this season has an excuse. The sire bond. Rebekah compelled her to tell the truth. They want her to take control of her own life and switch off herself, instead of stuff falling on Damon to do again, and he once again gets blamed. Ehh.

I noticed a lot of people said that hug was OOC, and I wonder why they think so? If you're looking for someone and they are missing, wouldn't you hug them when you find that person? lol it was a human reaction so I don't get it. And he was genuinely worried about her, so I def. don't get. I especially don't get the "He did it for Elena" excuse lol. I like DE a lot, and I ship them hard, but come on, had he not wanted to be there, he wouldn't have been there, simple. Stefan just as easily could have stayed, and DE could have had scenes together where he comforted her, but he stayed behind. I think people don't get Damon's character. He's not much for comforting and all that stuff, he's more of the guy to get shit done, and that's what he did. He stayed on the island because Bonnie was lost, Elena needed her, and she was with that dumbass Shane. Damon is Mr-fix-it, he fixes problems. While, yes, he was looking for Bonnie because Elena needed her, he hugged her because of Elena too? Or was worried for her because of Elena? You could tell he was worried about her. I think it's just because other fans hate Bamon, so they use the oh, he only did that for Elena speech. That's just not true at all.

LOL seriously, I want to know how hugging Bonnie benefited Elena? Or him being genuinely worried about her? Elena wasn't there, so it wasn't like he was putting on a show for her or something. I loved that hug, OMG. And you know what makes it so much more special? It's actually the first hug that Damon has ever initiated. Seriously. Go back and watch the other seasons. In the other seasons Elena always hugs Damon and he usually doesn't hug her back. In this season she starts the hugs again, but this time he hugs back. But with Bonnie, he goes in for the hug. I got so many Bamon feels.

And I agree about the plan. Damon always calls the others plans stupid and whatnot, whether they are or not. So I don't see that as him putting her down or whatever. He does that to everyone. Hell, I even think he's called Elena stupid a bunch for most of her plans, so does that mean he puts her down too? He was genuinely worried about her even when they got back to Mystic falls. I def. think Damon will be the one to help Bonnie, and save her from Shane and breaking the veil.

Isn't that how Damon makes friends though, lol? He killed and attacked Alaric and they became friends. He attacked and killed Jeremy, and they was kinda cool with each other I guess. He attacked Matt earlier in the season, and they are somewhat friendly. I get what you mean though. I think he def. wouldn't have stayed behind for Caroline loll.

Kitsune? In the books there are these shapeshifter thingys called kitsune I think. Could Silas be one of those? Yeah, at first I felt bad for Shane, but then I remembered how he manipulated and controlled Bonnie. It went right out the window then. I was hoping Bonnie got to kill him actually, but no dice I guess.

I think Bamon is headed somewhere positive as well. I'm looking forward to it since they are my second shipping I prefer. SMH, LOL, are all those shippers really that mad that Bamon hugged that they banded together? Like do people still ship datherine? That ships sunked in s2 imo. I don't have tumblr but I can make one and join in with you guys.

It'll probably be snatcheaterase or something like that, but if not I'll let you know on here. Can you add people and stuff on there? I'll just stay logged in on here until I make my account, incase you get back on.

I really liked Beremy, and then he cheated and so I had fell out with Jeremy for most of season 3, but since 4x01 I really loved them again. So, I was really sad to see him go, but I can't lie it was kind of hard for me to be sad after we got so much good Bamon stuff LOL. So, I wouldn't mind if he came back at all, but I'm okay if he doesn't. So, however they play it will be cool with me. I would really love to see no Humanity Elena and a crazy ass Bonnie working together though, that would be cool lol.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that laughed at it. I mean it was sad in context, but the actual scene was OTT for me. Sorry, Matty lol.

And you are right about Katherine, it was so weird. I just don't know what to think of it really. I agree that they could have done it better though.

I mean like I said, I'm okay with what Damon did. I think it was a bit premature though, because she wasn't grieving any differently then I would if one of my siblings died. And burning the house down wasn't a bad idea at all, except for the fact that she had told annoying ass April Young that he was already dead. I don't blame Elena at all for not wanting to stay in that house, I would have been ready to dump it after my parents died! I think they should have had Elena acting worse than she was and then had Damon decided to shut off her humanity or had her do it herself, but whatever, I'm looking forward to seeing how she is now.

And no I wasn't saying they were saying Damon was putting her down because of the plan to bring Jer back. I meant that normally Damon would tell someone how dumb a plan is and if he doesn't agree he would let them know immediately. But he didn't do that to Bonnie, he wanted to discuss it in private with Stefan away from Bonnie and the others. That alone shows that he really does care about her well-being, at least to me it does. But yea some folks were livid, it has calmed down though since last night. And okay, krayday.tumblr.com is my blog. I'm kinda new to it still, only had mine a couple months and recently became more active on it a few weeks ago. I mostly blog about TVD/Bonnie/Bamon/Beremy stuff and some SE stuff and some Damon stuff and a couple other shows I watch.

And as for Matt/Damon. I mean they are somewhat friendly I guess. But saying he loves him is a stretch for me lol, I mean it was shocking to say that about Bonnie so lol. But, I could see them being friends in the future.

And yea, he could be a kitsune. And yea don't get me wrong I still don't like Shane. But he was being manipulated and now it's happening to my girl Bonnie and I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him. I do hope it's Damon to bring her back to reality though. Because can you imagine all of those supernaturals who would be after them if the veil broke? Lol, Kol, Kol's line, Finn's line, Connor, the hunter's Klaus killed, Michael, Esther, EvilAlaric, tomb vamps, lol oh wow.

Oh and I have no idea who or why anyone still ships Datherine, lol. IMO that ship sunk the moment we saw she wasn't in the tomb. Smh.

No humanity Elena actually looks pretty fun from what I've seen lol. What I think will happen is Bonnie will go dark, trying to kill 12 people and bring down the veil, so DER goes to New York to kill Shane/Silas and save Bonnie. I also think Katherine might be working with Elijah to use the cure on Klaus. Katherine so she can be free and won't have to run anymore. Elijah because of the people Klaus has killed, the damage he's caused, and the lives he's ruined. I don't think it'll work though because I think Klaus is still a hybrid for the spinoff right? So maybe Elijah, once the plan fails, becomes Let'smakeadeal!Elijah again with TMF, the cure for letting Klaus leave Mystic falls and never come back. And they get the cure and either use it on Silas or Damon turns human. I don't know if Klaroline has klex or not, but I think they do. I think whatever happens between them is in 4x18, not sure what though.

But yeah, I think Damon will help stop Bonnie and save her from Shane/Silas, and lead the plan to kill Silas.

Ahhh, ok, I get what you're saying. That's just more evidence that he indeed cares about Bonnie. I really loved both him and Bonnie this episode, and looking forward to where they go from here. BTW, I love the Bamon hug you have as your sig! It really is the first hug he actually initiated.

Wrong choice of wording. Cares about the others, even though he pretends he doesn't, and acts like a dick to them pretty much always. He still cares about his short list of people, including love for Bonnie!

Yeah, that's a lot of supernaturals they've killed so I can see why they don't want it broke lol. I'm guessing if it is broken there must be a way to seal it again though? Because I think they might use it to give closure to Bonnie and Elena, and the only way to do that would be to break the veil.

And if the tomb thing wasn't enough, "It was always Stefan" should have been. I used to ship Datherine, before I found out she was just an evil bitch who didn't even care for Damon at all. But to each their own I guess.

Yea, this Elena does look more interesting and it's a good change of pace from all of the doom and gloom. I hate that Bonnie's not in the episode though.

I'm wondering though, where in the hell are they going to get these 12 people to sacrifice from? Do you really think they will tarnish Bonnie's good girl image for this sacrifice?

I am not sure what happens in NY. I try not to jump the gun too far ahead because it kind of ruins the show a bit you know? Like I started watched TVD a year ago and I watch all 2 seasons and up to episode 18 of the 3rd season in like 3 days. NO spoilers, no nothing and it was so much better. I sometimes wish I could pull myself away from this season and then watch all the episodes this summer, but then I wouldn't be able to fangirl about the show with others lol. Ah well.

Yea Datherine is dead, was never a fan of Katherine. She is who she is. I seen someone that ships Daroline LOL, like seriously. But to each his own right.

KrayBaby wrote:

Yea, this Elena does look more interesting and it's a good change of pace from all of the doom and gloom. I hate that Bonnie's not in the episode though.

I'm wondering though, where in the hell are they going to get these 12 people to sacrifice from? Do you really think they will tarnish Bonnie's good girl image for this sacrifice?

I am not sure what happens in NY. I try not to jump the gun too far ahead because it kind of ruins the show a bit you know? Like I started watched TVD a year ago and I watch all 2 seasons and up to episode 18 of the 3rd season in like 3 days. NO spoilers, no nothing and it was so much better. I sometimes wish I could pull myself away from this season and then watch all the episodes this summer, but then I wouldn't be able to fangirl about the show with others lol. Ah well.

Yea Datherine is dead, was never a fan of Katherine. She is who she is. I seen someone that ships Daroline LOL, like seriously. But to each his own right.

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Cynthia Addai-Robinson will play Aja, a powerful witch, with a connection to Bonnie's mother, who comes to Mystic Falls to help Bonnie control her magic. Seeing as Jeremy is (most likely) dead, does this mean that the only other person with the ability to guide Bonnie with her magic, Professor Shane, is also about to croak?

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Vampire-Diaries-Bonnie-1061205.aspx

Apparently Bonnie's mom calls in help to help Bonnie. So I'm guessing Bonnie goes dark and tries to kill 12 people, but this witch helps her and stops her from doing it? Then DER goes to New York to find Shane. The synopsis for 4x16 says Damon and Rebekah are both searching for the cure, so Rebekah must finds out Katherine is off the island. How they figure out Shane is in New York is beyond me lol.

I'm conflicted whether Bonnie actually kills the 12 people or not, since KG did say she would go dark or something. But maybe she just uses her powers against people or something, idk. Bonnie's not in 4x16?

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THE NEW NORMAL — Elena’s (Nina Dobrev) new outlook has everyone concerned, leading Stefan (Paul Wesley) and Damon (Ian Somerhalder) to agree that going back to the normal routine of high school would be the best thing for her. Caroline (Candice Accola) is pleasantly surprised when Elena decides to rejoin the cheerleading squad, but her pleasure turns to shock when Elena’s behavior proves dangerous. Not giving up on their search for the cure, Damon and Rebekah (Claire Holt) work together until his unwanted advice catches her off-guard. Klaus (Joseph Morgan) tries to use Hayley (guest star Phoebe Tonkin) to get the information he’s after and makes an intriguing discovery in the process. Meanwhile, a bored Elena throws a wild party and gets into an ugly fight.

If she's not in this episode she must be in 4x17, and the other witch Aja will most likely be introduced then as well. So who do you think Elena gets into a fight with?

This episode was so sad

I still cant get over Jeremy being dead, I never thought the writers would kill him off because I thought Elena would need one last family member, but that shows how unpredictable this show is
I cried 3 times, as soon as I was stopping I was starting again, and I'm not much of a crier

I feel super sorry for Matt, his reaction when he saw Jeremy at the beginning was the first thing to make me cry, he looked so heartbroken but I didnt find his scene in his car that sad, I just kept thinking that he was such a weird crier, which put me off

The Scottish guy was still in it, that made me laugh. His accent is still getting worse
Elena made me cry aswell. Nina is such a brilliant actress! When she was about to set the house on fire, and she was talking about all the people shes lost, I was crying like a baby

Bonnie scared me in this one, I think shes going to kill 12 people somewhere and then she might start going crazy or something, but she was really scary though

Also, I miss Tyler already. When Caroline was calling him I was like "PICK UP" but he didnt hes meant to have one more scene before the finale, and I cant wait

Yea, the witch is suppose to come help cleanse her, but I don't think it will work? Maybe she gets sacrificed for the spell. I have no idea. I think it's interesting though if the writers are gearing up for Bamon, then maybe they will have her kill the 12 people because it would be a big parallel to when Damon was manipulated, like Bonnie, to kill those 12 people back in the 40's.

And no KG isn't in 4x16, only 5 cast members are: Damon, Elena, Stefan, Klaus, and Caroline.
She is in 17, I don't think she is in 18, and she is 19. I'm thinking maybe the sacrifice will happen in 19, because it's always doom and gloom at school dances lol, so why not.

And Rachel, I don't know. I didn't cry really, I was really sad but didn't cry.

I can't wait for Tyler to be back, but if they kill him off the show I will be so pissed.

KrayBaby wrote:

I can't wait for Tyler to be back, but if they kill him off the show I will be so pissed.

YES. My thoughts exactly, but if they finally get Tyler back and then they kill him, surely a lot of fans would be upset? But it's Tyler we're talking about, a lot of fans probably haven't even realised hes gone

KrayBaby wrote:

Yea, the witch is suppose to come help cleanse her, but I don't think it will work? Maybe she gets sacrificed for the spell. I have no idea. I think it's interesting though if the writers are gearing up for Bamon, then maybe they will have her kill the 12 people because it would be a big parallel to when Damon was manipulated, like Bonnie, to kill those 12 people back in the 40's.

And no KG isn't in 4x16, only 5 cast members are: Damon, Elena, Stefan, Klaus, and Caroline.
She is in 17, I don't think she is in 18, and she is 19. I'm thinking maybe the sacrifice will happen in 19, because it's always doom and gloom at school dances lol, so why not.

And Rachel, I don't know. I didn't cry really, I was really sad but didn't cry.

I can't wait for Tyler to be back, but if they kill him off the show I will be so pissed.

Right, I saw that on tumblr. How both Bonnie and Damon both got manipulated into killing 12 people. Damon back in whatever year that flashback was, regarding Charlotte and him wanting to un sire her. And Bonnie with Silas needing her to basically break the veil. Is that the "end of the world" thing Kol was talking about? That Silas plans on bringing back the people who died on the other side? Would they be able to physically interact once they come back though? Like let's say Kol comes back and wants revenge, would he physically be able to get revenge? Would he still be stronger than all of them, and still an Original?

I'm sitting here laughing at how Silas needs Bonnie basically to break the veil, he doesn't seem all that badass and evil to me right now. How is this different from the times where everyone needs a witch to do their dirty work for them? Hey kraybaby, do you think Silas will be defeated this season? Or do you think he'll be next season's villain?

About Bamon, do you think they'll explore them next season and give them more buildup? I'm looking forward to Bamon being explored. I def. think Damon, like you said, will help Bonnie and stop her from killing the 12 people. Bamon was actually set up nicely. In 4x13 he stayed behind at the camp to watch out for Bonnie. Then when Bonnie was questioning Shane Damon cut in and helped her. The "I don't give a crap about Bonnie Bennett" was disproven in 4x15, when he stayed behind on the island to look for Bonnie.

I will also be pissed if they bring Tyler back just to kill him. It'll be just as lame as that lame sendoff, imo.

Yea, I guess the "end of the world" is bringing back all the supernaturals from the dead and I'm sure they will want to wreak havoc on Earth after some being in there for thousands of years. I assume that they will be able to interact if it's anything like Ghost World
You would think that Silas wouldn't want to bring the veil down because then Qetsiyah would be back as well. And he doesn't have the cure so he can't kill himself after the other side is removed to reunite with his other love. So, I just don't get it I guess. I mean unless he is going to be after the cure as well now, I don't know.


And yea Silas so so not like the big bad he was perceived to be. I mean he is basically like the Originals and well TMF has already killed 2, daggered the other 2 multiple times, and dessicated 1 before. His only really advantage is being able to do the mind fork thing or shape shift. Not sure which he is doing to Bonnie. I think it would be cool though if he was not really there and just a hallucination. That would make Bonnie really crazy lol. Imagine her yell and fuss at "Shane" and someone watching her would think she is talking to herself. Hahaha.
But yea Silas will definitely show his real face according to a spoiler from JP. SO I do think he will either be revealed in the finale or early season 5. So, no I don't think he will be defeated this season. Similar to how Klaus was. No one knew what he looked like except that they should fear him and then he was revealed near the end of the season an d became the "big bad" LOL in season 3.

I do think by the end of the season we will get a definite confirmation that Damon does care about Bonnie. And them being officially friends. And I think in the beginning of season 5 they will grow closer and eventually explored by mid season 5.

I think Stefan will bring back Elena's humanity. But I think she will still choose to be with DAmon. JP said she always does like a 360 to the beginning of the season for the end, and like she chose Stefan and let him know in 4x01, but it was Damon who saved her. So this time I think it will be Stefan to save her, but she will choose to stay with Damon for whatever reason going into season 5. Then they will have some issue, not sure yet what it would be but maybe he will be getting closer to Bonnie and think, well maybe there is someone else besides Elena or maybe Elena will realize she misses Stefan or something. Idk, but I do think and hope Bamon is coming next season.

But yea, Bamon has had this slow build. I think the most telling is from season 2, when he said if it came down to the witch and Elena again, he would gladly let Bonnie die. And he could have done that, Elena needed him but he chose to stay with Bonnie when he could have left her there to die. Damon's words always come back to bite him in the ass. And maybe the writers were looking for the right to bring the revelation back to the front because we all know season 3 was pretty horrible for Bamon. So I hope if they are going to go the Bamon route that they let them discuss that. You know I have actually seen a lot of fans, including DE fans, that were converted to Bamon or at least ship a friendship with them. So that is pretty good.

It doesn't sound that bad if they stop him though, so lol at Kol. Silas doesn't even seem like much of a villain. He just wants to be reunited with his long lost love or whatever right? And bringing the veil down will accomplish that right? Then I would guess maybe he would use the cure to kill himself and be reunited with her in death. Easiest. Villain. Ever. LOL. But for real, he doesn't seem to want anything but to get his long lost love back, and I think bringing the veil down would help in that regard. But at the same time, all the supernaturals TMF killed would be back for revenge. Plus how do Silas know His wife or whatever hasn't moved on and found peace? Didn't Esther say Jenna had moved on? And Anna moved on after she found her mom. Unless it's retconned and every supernatural who dies is still on the other side watching everyone else live their lives. I haven't really payed attention to the Silas sl, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Also. again correct me if I'm wrong, but does the illusion thing only work on those whose blood he has? Remember when some of Bonnie's blood dripped into his mouth? Can he only appear and give visions and illusions to those whose blood he has? Like the well and Shane, where he showed him his wife or whatever? So maybe he can really only manipulate her, and give her illusions of talking to Shane. I think ultimately though, Damon will figure it out and help her, because he's usually the one to get shit done and fix stuff, along with Bonnie of course. I said this awhile back in the other forum, but really, Damon and Bonnie are TMF's crutches. Bonnie is called on for magic, Damon to make the hard, life and death decisions and be the "Bad guy". They bitch and moan about Damon's methods yet always look to him for help. They don't even call on Bonnie unless it requires magic. I did like seeing the girls having fun in 4x08 though, can we have more of those? Then I could believe they really are friends and knew each other since they were little or whatever.

LOL I'm stuck between wanting DE and wanting Bamon to happen. I def. don't want DE with the sire bond thingy, but I also want Bamon to happen, to see how they would be on-screen and not just from the books. Even though I on't ship Bamon because of the books. I actually hadn't even read them before I started watching the show, but it was because of the show I decided to try them out. I liked Bamon because of their dynamic not because of the books. I like your outline though, and will personally blame you for getting my hopes up, should it not happen exactly like how you said. lol.

What happened in s3 that was bad for Bamon? I try not to remember how lame that season was, imo at least.

Yea, Silas wants to just be reunited with his love. I think his love was human though, so she isn't in Purgatory. That's why he wants the veil removed so there will be no more Purgatory so that when the supernatural die, the go to hell? or Heaven? LOL not sure but whatevs. Anyway, the thing about Silas's plan is that he no longer has the cure so what is going to do? What if someone takes the cure and therefore he loses it? Will he force Bonnie to try to create a new one? I don't know, it's so many questions still unanswered about all of this. JP said we will learn more about Silas's plans in 4x17, so maybe we will know everything about him then. And about Jenna moving on, I can see them saying something along the lines that Jenna isn't there because she was pure. She had never taken a life so she got to pass on?

I do think the blood thing is how he would be able to manipulate her. I remember an interview of JPs and she made a specific remark about how Silas had Jeremy and Bonnie's blood to awake him. So that would make the most sense to me as well. Yea Damon and Bonnie gets stuff done, Bonnie also has had to make some tough calls over the seasons, so in many ways she and Damon share similar qualities. And I do miss the girls friendship, I was glad that they had both Caroline and Elena show worry over Bonnie. I love the Baroline scene and the scene where Stefan told Elena that Bonnie was okay and she had the look of thanks on her face.

Haha, yea I used to like DE until this season happened and it was just a mess. That is why I think she will choose Damon or stay with Damon when she is "herself" again. Because otherwise I think DE fans would feel cheated if they don't at least get that. I think that Bamon though, would be good for both Bonnie and Damon as characters. But I hope it happens like I said lol. But, it's logical so it probably won't. Haha.

Oh and in season 3, it was a mess. I really can barely watch those episodes except for the last ones. But when Damon turned Abby. That's one thing I often see some DE fans say that Bamon won't work because of that. I mean I get why it had to be done and I really am not mad over it because I didn't care about Abby then and I still don't care about Abby now. But I often see fans saying that it won't work because he turned her mom.

Right, Abby. She's such a noob I forgot about it. I honestly don't see how Bamon couldn't work because Damon doesn't care about her mom. Bonnie doesn't either, does she? Damon is the same way with Elena, where there's people she loves that he could care less about, yet I don't see people saying they can't work. You know what the weirdest thing I heard before was? That Damon was disgusting because he slept with Isobel, Elena's mom. DE shippers even stopped shipping them because of that. I don't get it though. It was like he knew that Isobel was Elena's mom. Hell, he didn't even know about Elena around that time, so it wasn't like he was like, oh look there goes Elena's mom, I'll think I'll fork her for shits and giggles, and for the lulz. IDK, it seems lame to me.

And as for Abby and Bonnie. Didn't Elijah give him a ultimatum, where either he kills one of the Bennett witches or Elena dies? And let's be honest, what was the first thing Damon usually does in these type of situations? Resort to violence and murdering people, no hesitation right? Instead he comes up with another plan, to dagger all the Originals, so the Bennett's wouldn't be collateral damage. Like come on, the fact that he didn't immediately jump up and say "Yay, I get to kill a bennett today" means something. He actually came up with another plan just so they wouldn't be collateral damage. I know people will say he did it for Elena or whatever, but he has no problems being the bad guy, and racking up body counts so that the ones he love is safe, so why not then?

So then Him and Stefan do the coin toss thingy, which is what I get confused on. So Stefan lost the coin toss then goes to Bonnie and begs and pleads with her to understand, and I'm lost here. Was Stefan going to kill Bonnie, or was he just trying to get her to understand what he had to do before he go for Abby? But then Damon decides to be the bad guy once again and instead of killing Abby, he turns her. Once again, he doesn't kill anyone but turns Abby.

Now, before we found out Stefan lost I thought Stefan was down there as a distraction for Bonnie, so that Damon could do what he had to. But then we found out Stefan lost and Damon did it to not have Stefan feel more guilt than he does already. So I'm confused on what exactly was Stefan's plan when he was talking to Bonnie? Was he going to kill her? Or was he apologizing to Bonnie before he killed her mom? Either way, Damon didn't immediately go there and try to kill any of the two bennett witches, even though him and Bonnie have a love/hate relationship. I thought it was good for Bamon.

I do think Bamon will happen though. Otherwise why have Elena say Damon loves Bonnie if nothing else will come from it, and it'll just be dropped? I think that'll be really lame should they just drop it and pretend it didn't happen. If they're not going to explore Bamon why put that love comment in? Or the hug? Or Damon genuinely being worried about Bonnie and staying on the island? I think it's be lame if they just drop all that and keep ignoring Bamon.

I think they can still work, if DE can work through JNSI then Bamon can surely work through this. I do however, think that Bonnie cares about her mom. It's her mom regardless of Abby's lack of parenting skills. With the Isobel, I mean it is gross when you think about it, but like you said he didn't know that was her mom. It's funny because Damon, killed and turned both Elena and Bonnie's moms.

Elijah did force their hand. I do give it to them for at least trying something else, but also I wish they had gone to Bonnie and Abby and maybe they could have come up with something or at least Abby because just because Bonnie didn't know of another way, it's possible Abby could have. I just don't think it is right for anyone on the show to become a vampire against their own will. So, regardless, to me it was disgusting what they did. And that goes for Stefan as well as Damon because Abby was trying to help them. So, while, I don't give a shit about Abby, it was still pretty messed up.

I don't think they were going to permanently kill anyone, I don't believe that was ever an option because killing them wouldn't have worked because Esther was drawing power from the living and dead Bennett witches. So, the only thing to do was to turn one into a vampire, so she wouldn't be a witch any longer. Stefan lost the coin toss but Damon decided to do the turning instead knowing his brother's guilt, Stefan was with Bonnie I'm guessing as a distraction because Bonnie would have taken them both down had she been with Abby.

I also think it was bad for Bamon because it regressed the progress they had made from season 2, IMO. Season 3, they had really no scenes until like episode 20 or something. So that's why I think it wasn't a good move for them, but whatev I don't care lol.

I do have high hopes that Bamon will happen. Did you see the tweet from the TVD writer Brian Young? Saying something about the Pope quit because there was no new TVD yesterday and that he is Team Bamon? And like you said why would they have Elena use a word like love for them? She could have said like or as a parallel to Bonnie saying to Damon in 2x18, "Careful Damon, I might start to think you actually care" she could have used the word care. And I know that many Beremy and Delena fans have been saying it's just fanservice. But, why use THAT particular word? Why point out to us that he doesn't hate her at all? It's not like us Bamon fans have been all rowdy this season or anything. A lot of us had lost hope from the beginning of the season when it seemed like Damon was sneak dissing Bonnie. I definitely think it is more to the story and if people would pay attention then they would see that it is more complex than that. Because Damon has said in so many words his distaste for Bonnie in the past, but his actions have spoken a lot differently.

I never got why Esther had both Bonnie and her mom leave that circle thing that any vampire could pass. I mean, I know it was for plot purposes, but couldn't they have come up with something else? They would have been perfectly safe in there, so I don't get what Esther was trying to achieve.

So what you're saying is that Damon had already decided to be the one to do the deed, even though Stefan lost, and it was decided in the cae beforehand? I had thought that Stefan was trying to kill Bonnie or something, or decided to try to apologize to Bonnie before turning her mom or whatever the plan was. Because later, at the BH when Damon is washing his hands, Stefan sounds surprised that Damon did it, so I thought it was spur of the moment where Damon decided to just do it so Stefan wouldn't have to.

I was on the day before yesterday and saw that tweet. It's real? I thought it was so cool when I first read it, because that's awesome he's a Bamon fan. bamon is a really great couple, and them being explored would def. be interesting, that's for sure. I hate the assumption though, that all Bamon fans are fans of them in the books or whatever. That's not true at all. I shipped them in season one actually, and I hadn't even read the books until I got hooked on the show. So me liking Bamon in the books had no influence on me shipping them in s1, seeing as I hadn't even read the books yet. The characters and relationships in the books are completely different from how they are on the show.

After this week coming up, TVD comes back with a new episode the next week right?

I always wondered why they had to leave as well. It was crazy, but plot purpose I guess.

And, killing Bonnie was never the option. It was always about who would kill Abby. They just made the whole thing really ambiguous until after it happened. They knew they only needed to kill one of them, and they knew Elena would never forgive them if it would have been Bonnie, so it was always just about who would turn Abby. At the end when the brothers were talking, Stefan said, "It should have been me to turn Abby." So, it was always known to them that it was going to be Abby. Stefan lost the coin toss, and Damon probably said he would go ahead and do it. Also, Stefan wouldn't have been able to do anything to Bonnie anyway because she was in the basement and would have been protected by the witches because Bonnie told her mom the witches would protect them but they would have to get into the basement. So, yea it was the plan all along and Stefan knew Damon was doing it. It was just a tease to lead us to believe otherwise.

I will say that I hate that episode. I have only watched it once, and I just rewatched the Bonnie/Brothers scenes on Netflix just now to make sure what I was saying was right lol. That episode disgusted me for so many reasons. From Elena saying Elijah found a way to save her in the sacrifice when it was indeed Bonnie and John who saved her, when Elijah elixir was iffy at best. The ambiguity of who was going to kill/turn who with Abby and Bonnie. The way Stefan made it seem like he was going to kill Bonnie and so many other things. It was just ugh to me, I really hate this episode TBH and whenever I rewatch the old episodes I always skip this one.

But yea that tweet was definitely real, I saw it on his twitter page. And I have never read the books, only summaries of them. I really didn't like Damon at all in season one for the most part and didn't ship him with her until that 1x22 I think it was, whenever he thanked her. Most people that I know that ship them didn't ship them in the book or had never read the book either.

Ya know, when shane was mentioning his research on silas to bonnie and taught her "expression", I thought shane himself being silas would be a surprise.I mean, silas was a myth and him being dead could be a deception. Though technically shane is not silas, silas did use shane's body and I was in suspicion when shane convinced bonnie of the remaining 12 sacrifices. Well, i was not surprised but thought to myself 'I saw that coming'.

Yea, I kinda figured when FakeShane kinda snapped at Bonnie that it wasn't the real him. It was pretty easy to figure out, however I thought I he was using Shanes body and not some hallucination or whatever he is.

I immediately knew it was Silas when he gave Bonnie that hallucination of Jeremy. I thought maybe Silas possessed Shane's body or something, but since they showed Shane's body later, I retracted that thought. I think Silas is a shapeshifter or it's just an illusion.

@Kraybaby- Yeah, when I had first watched it I thought Stefan was going to kill Bonnie or something. Then I thought he was apologizing to her for what he was about to do to her mom, but then Damon stepped in and did it. I haven't watched that episode since it aired lol, I didn't like s3 all that much actually.

And I totally agree with you about Elijah. It seems like lame fanservice to the Elijah/Elena shippers in my opinion. Just like Elena being oh so worried about lying to Elijah in 4x15(?) and Elijah writing her that letter or whatever. Like, why would she care that she lied to him? He freaking betrayed them in 2x21 and saved Klaus. They wasn't that close to the point where she had to be worried about him. I laughed at Elena in 4x14 and 4x15 to be honest. Damon tried to get her not to go to Esther in 4x14 and she does. Then she spends all of 4x15 trying to undo what Damon told her not to do in the first place. I get that Damon wasn't her boyfriend at the time, and that he can't force or make her do what she don't want to do, because she can make her own decisions. I get that, but she spent the very next episode trying to fix what she did the previous one. Maybe she should have just listened to Damon then? If she was just going to feel guilty and try to undo it, why do it in the first place? Seemed kinda pointless and like she should have just stayed home.

Like seriously, she made a big deal of wanting the Originals dead and going behind Damon's back to do it, even having Stefan snap his neck, then the very next day is worried about poor Elijah and tries to fix it? LOL. I didn't get why she was so worried about him TBH, like did he give her good sex or something and she's hung up on him? Like I said before, he went against them and saved Klaus in s2, UJ saved her life in s2, not Elijah, and Bonnie came up with the spell and had the power to defeat Klaus. So why was she worried about Elijah? What did he do exactly? Don't even get me started on that old elixir Elijah had.

I was totally with Damon on that subject. How would they honestly know that it would work? They basically was putting Elena's life in the hands of this old ass Elixir that even Elijah said might not work, I think. Didn't Damon say that when Klaus was weakened Bonnie wouldn't have had to use that much power to kill him? So she wouldn't have died when she used the power of those dead witches? I will to this day believe that all that stuff in 4x15 was Elejah fanservice. It wasn't like he actually kept his promises or is compassionate and all that, considering he killed people he didn't have to. He killed Trevor. He killed that one smart vamp Rose knew. He killed those three vamps that came for Elena for Klaus. Plus he let Elena think he was going to let her be sacrificed the entire time, when they could have been working together if he had let them in on his plan. Plus he used Elena, and Rebekah's hatred of her to his own means, and to undo the spell, which got Abby killed. I didn't see him writing a letter to Bonnie and her mom.

The Originals are lame, and I seriously hate them. I think I hate them more that I hate Stefan. Like please leave. Or how about him being pissed at Katherine for running? He got mad because she didn't put her faith in his elixir and decided to run instead of trusting him. I would have ran too just to save my own life. I don't see how that's selfish, or how he could seriously be mad at her for that in s2.

So like I said, that stuff with Elijah was Elejah fanservice in my opinion. He didn't send Bonnie's family a letter saying sorry for the part he played in Abby's "Death". And I thought Elena was lame in 4x14 and 4x15. She's not Damon's property, I get that, and he can't tell her what to do, but I think it was kind of counter productive right? In 4x14 she makes a big deal of wanting the Originals dead, goes against Damon telling her not to do it, trying to keep her safe, and does it anyway. But the very next episode she wakes up and tries to get Damon to help her undo what she did the previous day. Uh....ok. You don't think that was kinda dumb, and she should have just listened? I didn't even get why she was so worried and concerned for poor Elijah either.

I loved when Damon said thank you, considering he never does that, not really lol. I thought it was sweet and sad at the same time, since Bonnie didn't really deactivate the device. He was so sincere with it as well and knew she did it for Elena, not him, but was still grateful. Yeah, it was 1x22 because Isobel came in 1x21 and got the device from Elena.

I'm looking forward to Bamon and hope they do it justice. Hopefully, since the Originals are leaving and TVD is going back to their roots, Bamon gets more scenes together and get developed more.

Nah, Stefan was definitely in on the plan of Damon doing it.

And yea Elijah is straight up fan service. I didn't get why she felt so bad for him after his betrayal. And you are right, she should have never went to Esther like Damon said, every bad plan is Elena's fault lol. Elijah did jack shit for her to give a damn about him really. I just hate the whole thing really. But I agree wit all that you said about that.

And yea that thank you in 1x21 gives me life every time I see it cause he really was grateful and we don't see Damon in that way too often.

Damon was totally right that episode, but she didn't listen. I was like wow when the very next episode was spent trying to undo the very stupid mistake she made the previous episode. I was like maybe she should have listened to Damon after all? I noticed that Elena always acts like her way is always the best way, and that everyone else is wrong. She does that a lot actually. And when she doesn't get her way she does it anyway, or like you said, every bad plan is Elena's fault. Seriously, she was all gung ho about killing and wanting the Originals gone in 4x14, but the next day regrets and tries to undo it. Then tried to get mad at Damon because he wasn't on board with helping her, Lmao. I mean, like I said before, I get she doesn't have to listen or do what Damon says, but she makes really stupid decisions sometimes. He even told her it would be dangerous but she still wanted to do things her way. But whatever.

And I agree totally that Elejah is so much fanservice it isn't funny. Did you read the synopsis for 4x18? It says Elena and Elijah have an "unexpected encounter". That sounds like they does kiss like seen and speculated by that person who posted those pics on twitter. I think that will be ultimate fanservice if that really happens, and OOC for Elena, switched off or not. Unless they expect us to believe a Elena without any inhibition is really a trollop, and she goes around kissing guys because it's secretly what she always wanted to do?