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PostSubject: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:20 am

Discuss tonights all new episode of TVD, Because of the Night.

Sidenote: In case anyone comes to the board, we are doing a live chat of tonight's episode in the chat room on the home page. (You can only see it if you are a member of the board.)

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:30 pm

2 more hours!! And yeah, if any members get on before 7:00 we'll doing a live chat so feel free to join in!

EDIT: Will it just be for this episode, or can we do it for the remainder of the season?
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:45 pm

1 hours 15 minutes!

And yea we can do it for the remainder of the season! If by chance I won't be home at that time during an episode I will let you know.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:01 pm

Sounds good to me. Hopefully we can get some others too. 1 hour left!
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:38 pm

22 minutes!

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:56 pm

4 minutes left!
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:16 pm

Live Chat Transcript

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[17:59:25 25/09/12] @ KrayBaby : hi

[18:59:12 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : HI!!

[19:00:19 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Sup Kray!

[19:00:38 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : It's on

[19:02:43 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yay

[19:05:02 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Elena looks hot

[19:05:11 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : ewww klaroline

[19:08:01 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : Klaroline is gross

[19:08:12 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i missed the first 5 minutes lol

[19:08:21 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : my sound wouldn't work for a minute i was freaking out

[19:08:27 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol what happened?

[19:08:39 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Bonnie knows Shane is really silas

[19:08:48 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : he's trying to get her to kill 12 people

[19:09:49 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : he won't show her his true face, but he told her he's really silas

[19:10:24 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : thanks for catching me up. lol and i don't know i have a wireless headset and for some reason it wouldn't connect at first

[19:10:50 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : and she's helping him willingly

[19:11:08 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Rebekah caught up with DE in NY

[19:11:30 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : 70's Damon is awesome

[19:11:40 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Lexi met him in the 70's

[19:11:59 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : called him sloppy for being about to feed right in the open in a club

[19:12:08 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea i seen that part

[19:12:29 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : this is new for me lol, i don't usually live chat the show

[19:12:39 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : oh, and the opening scene he killed someone who looks like silas

[19:13:03 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I do it all the time in the DE forum

[19:13:55 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : bamon fans freaking out cause damon called elena judgy lol

[19:14:18 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : wait what? killed someone that looks like silas? who?

[19:16:20 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : haha, i called it

[19:16:29 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i knew she would look for it so they couldn't give it to her

[19:16:43 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : yup

[19:17:02 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : and she'll team up with Rebekah'

[19:17:23 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : that's why they ditch Damon and goes to Penn

[19:17:40 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol I laughed at the judgy thing

[19:18:14 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : wow, she has to kill witches

[19:18:16 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Bonnie

[19:19:44 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : wow

[19:19:52 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : bonnie is cray cray

[19:21:22 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I wonder though, is she really ok with this or is it more manipulation?

[19:22:04 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Like how Shane hypnotized her and with a specific word could control her

[19:22:29 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : it has to be because this is crazy

[19:22:45 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i don't see her just willingly wanting to kill 12 people let alone her own people, witches

[19:23:02 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Yeah, I agree

[19:23:22 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I don't see her being all happy go lucky with killing 12 people, especially witches

[19:24:47 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : right. i don't like how they are handling this silas stuff anymore really

[19:26:53 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : them feeding together was kinda sexy

[19:28:23 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol

[19:28:23 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : omg

[19:28:30 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : lasdfj;ldjf bonnie is about to kill people

[19:28:31 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : omgg

[19:28:32 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : yes, it was

[19:28:50 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I can't believe they're going to have her go through with it

[19:30:41 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol klaroline flirting?

[19:30:45 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol

[19:31:15 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i ignore all things klaroline lol

[19:31:25 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : wtf is going on

[19:31:41 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : this shit is crazy lol

[19:31:43 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : that's scary

[19:32:15 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : they're trying to get rid of expression inside her right?

[19:32:20 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : food break lol

[19:32:27 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : and yes they trying to get rid of it

[19:32:28 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : brb

[19:33:52 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : me2

[19:33:56 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : i'm hungry

[19:36:41 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : lol okay

[19:37:17 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Lexi

[19:37:22 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : can she stay dead?

[19:37:25 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : god

[19:38:08 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : omg

[19:38:13 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : damn and lexi

[19:38:17 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : damon*

[19:38:17 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : LOL

[19:38:51 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : wow

[19:38:59 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : she playing the hell out of damon

[19:40:19 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I think that parallel Damon playing Lexi?

[19:40:26 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : or is he?

[19:40:38 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Is that why she was a bitch to him in season one?

[19:40:41 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Lmao

[19:40:53 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : this bitch def about to die

[19:41:16 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : and i guess so lol. it's kinda messed up that he killed her even more now

[19:42:28 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol

[19:42:49 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : do you think the veil will really be broken this season?

[19:43:51 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i think it will. i think it will go down at the prom

[19:44:03 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : because bonnies not in 4x18

[19:45:33 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : she's not?

[19:45:41 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : oh yeah, 4x18 is the EE stuff

[19:45:56 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Yeah, I do think something happens at prom

[19:46:37 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : ooh caroline did it

[19:46:51 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Stefan was going to let her die?

[19:46:56 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : ohh shit

[19:47:12 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i don't think so. stefan tried to stop them

[19:47:19 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : but the witch wouldn't let him get near

[19:47:30 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Silas just wants to die right?

[19:48:17 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : so why don't they just give him the cure?

[19:48:39 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : they dont have the curej

[19:48:42 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : cure*

[19:49:57 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : wow i see why she was a bitch to him

[19:50:03 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol at Damon

[19:51:50 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : he really spent 6 months playing her?

[19:51:52 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Lmao

[19:51:54 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i'm glad they didn't retcon and have damon some sweet angel

[19:52:06 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : he really commits to a role

[19:52:08 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : that's messed up lol

[19:52:17 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : It's so funny to me

[19:52:26 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Yeah, I agree

[19:52:46 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I didn't want them to change him or retcon how he is

[19:55:21 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : omg im about to cry

[19:55:29 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : she has to relive jeremy's death again, so sad

[19:56:15 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : roll my eyes at klaroline

[19:56:26 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : that bitch klaus, hate himmm ugh

[19:57:03 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : wait

[19:57:35 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : so silas is able to be visible to whoever he wants

[19:59:16 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : LOL. oh god yes i love this

[19:59:33 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Yes!

[19:59:36 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : screw you Klaus

[20:00:36 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yes. i hollered

[20:00:43 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i can watch that over and over again

[20:01:16 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Yep

[20:01:22 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : If only Tyler got to do it

[20:01:43 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I'm guessingthat's why he's diseased and shirtless next episode?

[20:02:39 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : I know right. and i guess so?

[20:02:48 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i'm here for silas right now lol

[20:03:10 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : He made Klaus his bitch lol

[20:03:32 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I wish he would have killed him, but we all know Klaus has the spinoff so can't die

[20:05:58 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea i know so i will take what i can get

[20:06:19 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i just saw a promo pic for next week with klaroline. like caroline helping klaus.

[20:06:31 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : why is she still around him like this is getting ridiculous

[20:08:43 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I think from the synopsis he asks her for help, and she helps him reluctantly

[20:08:57 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : probably to get the WOS out of him?

[20:09:07 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : But I agree, I don't get why she does it

[20:10:45 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I think 4x18 is the episode Jomo told klaroline fans to tune in to

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:19 pm

cont'd

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[20:10:57 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : he was going to let her best friend die. he treats her like crap

[20:11:20 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : idc it's dumb to me

[20:11:31 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : it's so much fanservice for this dumb ass ship

[20:12:33 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : was they flirting though earlier?

[20:13:41 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I wonder though, is the show really going to bring back all those supernatural?

[20:16:10 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : oh yea

[20:16:18 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : they were flirting with the whole map thing

[20:16:38 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : maybe it's not going to work how they think it will?

[20:17:01 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : or maybe someone stops bonnie right as its coming down and only some get out like in ghost world?

[20:18:40 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I wonder who they let out?

[20:18:50 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I think Kol might come back, for the spinoff

[20:19:07 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : maybe Jeremy, but I doubt it

[20:19:22 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I think if Jeremy comes back it'll be for closure and that's it

[20:22:52 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i don't think kol is coming back. jp pretty much said they would like to have him back in flashbacks

[20:23:02 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea i agree, i think he is gone for good

[20:23:18 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : at eyecon jeremy hinted at being on another cw show

[20:23:46 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : well there goes that idea

[20:24:02 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I'm sure a lot of Originals fans was hoping he would come back

[20:24:19 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Ooh, maybe he goes to cult?

[20:24:21 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol

[20:26:19 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : 4x18 looks interesting, with Elena/Rebekah/Kat in the diner

[20:26:27 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : the diner

[20:26:35 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i don't think cult will make it to next season lol

[20:26:43 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea that looks like a fun episode

[20:26:51 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : it's still getting terrible ratings?

[20:26:54 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : kat/elena fight

[20:27:04 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : and yea i think the ratings aren't good at all

[20:31:20 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : guess there's no need in me watching it then

[20:33:49 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Is Bonnie in 4x19?

[20:34:11 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i mean i could be wrong and it get picked up but it'snot looking good for it really

[20:34:18 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : and yes bonnie is in 4x19

[20:34:43 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i think bonnie fans would kill JP if she missed another episode where the girls got to be in gowns lol

[20:36:45 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : exactly lol

[20:37:01 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I can't wait to see them in their gowns though

[20:38:10 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I'm calling Silas ruining prom right now

[20:39:07 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Oh, and I already knew Damon wasn't switched off in s1

[20:39:14 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : He was just being himself lol

[20:40:33 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea dances never go well in MF. it's supposed to be a big ep

[20:40:45 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea i can't believe lexi fell for that

[20:41:41 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : LOL

[20:41:48 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : It's so funny to me

[20:44:18 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : all in all the flashback was pointless though

[20:45:05 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i did just see someone on tumblr say they think elena's love for stefan will bring her humanity back because of how lexi tried to get damons love of katherine to get his humanity back

[20:46:03 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I can see that

[20:46:26 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I honestly don't think this off!Elena sl will last until the finale like everyone else

[20:46:49 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I think by 4x18 she'll start feelings and letting in emotions

[20:47:07 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : then Stefan will bring her back

[20:47:25 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Even Stefan's ripper sl didn't last the entire season

[20:48:03 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea i agree, i don't see this going on long. it will get stale after a while

[20:49:04 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Yup, but people expect it to last until the finale, then whe she turns it back on she'll need a half season to get over her guilt or whatever

[20:49:16 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen either

[20:49:34 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : Work through it or something

[20:50:00 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I can't remember but they expect the show to let Elena grieve and stuff for a half season

[20:55:12 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : She hasn't done anything really except be a bitch. She was stopped from killing Liz, stopped from killing Caroline. She fed and hurt people but it's not like she went on a murdering spree that she will need 9 episodes to get over it

[20:56:30 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : That's what I don't get, what does she have to grieve over that'll take the rest of the season? Or half of next season? I doubt this sl will go over into s5

[20:57:02 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : And why would she need to grieve Jeremy for half a season?

[20:57:18 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : I think that's what they was talking about

[20:57:52 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : When she switches on all her grief over Jeremy dying will take awhile to get past, but I think that's what the veil thing is for

[20:58:02 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : to give her closure on that front

[21:02:06 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : oh okay grieve for jeremy. that won't take half a season either. maybe a couple episodes and he will be bought up occasionally but i don't see them going all out over this again

[21:03:37 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : It's not they let her grieve for Jenna

[21:03:46 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : she was just as important to Elena

[21:03:59 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : the next day Elena was watching movies

[21:04:02 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : lol

[21:05:03 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : same with UJ

[21:05:19 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : she went to that GWTW thing in the town square

[21:06:23 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : i wouldn't say jenna and jeremy are on the same level of importance but i don't see them having a half season of dark depressed mopey elena over jeremys death

[21:06:49 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : 2 episodes at the most i say

[21:07:07 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : im sorry i just don't want to see everyone coddle elena AGAIN

[21:09:38 21/03/13] SnatchEatErase : well Jenna was still family, and she didn't get this long winded grieving period. That's what I meant

[21:11:23 21/03/13] @ KrayBaby : yea i know. i think i'm going to rewatch the episode cause i missed some of the beginning

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:00 am

Why do vamps need fake IDs? Couldn't they just compel people?

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:02 am

I loved this episode, it was great and I'm glad we got away from the doom and gloom now. It was seriously getting depressing lol.

Damon: Damon in the 70's was hilarious. I loved him playing Lexi, it was awesome. When he plays a role he really commits doesn't he? He played her for months before he actually seduced her and tricked her. Damon is a dick, and I have come to expect nothing else from him lol. Never change Damon, never change. Also now I get why she was such a bitch to him in season one. When he leans in to kiss her on the bed in season one, and she gets pissed and chokes him has new meaning. I can't believe she was that gullible though. Did she really think he liked her and they hardly even interacted at all barely? The first time they met they barely talked before he left. The second time she made him give his brother up and let him go. I don't get it.

I loved the DER interactions this episode as well. Damon and Elena feeding on the girl was hot. LOL at Rebekah snapping his neck. I love that Damon wasn't pissed at Rebekah for snapping his neck, or Elena for running off, what he was most pissed about was them taking his car. Lmao, dude got his neck snapped but he nearly got a heart attack because they took his car.

Bonnie and Shane/Silas: I didn't get that bit. Was Bonnie really ok with killing 12 people, witches, so Silas can open the veil? Or did he brainwash her like Shane did, where he hypnotized her and had a specific phrase he used to control her? Because at the end of the episode she remembered none of what happened, and didn't remember leaving the island. I think maybe Silas got into her head or something. The stuff where the witches tried to get the expression out of her, and her eyes was completely white was cool and scary at the same time.

Klaroline: I didn't get them. Earlier in the episode she was like you're disgusting, you ran my boyfriend out of town, you suck! Then later they're flirting during the map part before Stefan comes in? I found Caroline making sarcastic comments and jabs about him hilarious though.

Klaus and Silas: Hahahah Klaus, looks like you met someone you can't bully huh? Silas set you straight without even trying, you suck at life! I'm glad he got taken down a notch and Silas staked him, he should have done more to the noob TBH. I want to see Silas real face though, I wonder who'll they'll cast to play him?

All in all I loved the episode. Had nice little moments in it and full of fun and humor. Loved everything except Klaroline. Did like Klaus gettting taken down a notch. Loved and laughed at Lexi getting played. Loved the DE stuff, them feeding on the girl together, Elena trying to seduce him and Damon not falling for it, and Damon's reaction to her new haircut. I thought it was cute how adorable Elena was for showing it off to Damon, and Damon being all in awe of her.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:03 pm

I loved this episode as well.

Bonnie- I'm always here for Bonnie. I was scared for her when the witches were putting the juju on her. It was freaky, but kinda cool with eyes. Bonnie looked super pretty in this episode as well, KG is such a natural beauty. I loved how people were actually caring about Bonnie, this happens like never so it was good to see. First with Damon asking if he needed to come home when Stefan told him about Silas brainwashing Bonnie. We know he cares about her because usual Damon tactic is to kill anyone that is a problem, ie, Tyler. When Tyler wanted to put Klaus down he told Stefan to kill him because they needed Klaus for the cure business. But when Bonnie is ready to kill 12 people to get enough power to drop the veil to the other side which would cause so much chaos and is life threatening to everyone, he wants to come home and help her. I'm a Bamon fangirl, so I was fangirling so hard with this LOL. Also, we had Stefan caring for Bonnie, he tried to stop the ritual and afterwards he brought Bonnie home and waited for her to wake up, so sweet. And of course Caroline was kinda awesome last night as well with killing 12 witches to save her BFF.

NY stuff- It was okay. It was pretty messed up how Damon did Lexi. She stayed with him for 6 months to help him and he betrayed her. I can't believe she fell for his shit though. I am, however, glad they didn't go back and try to make Damon such a sweet guy in the flashback. Because it had seemed like in the past few flashbacks they had been trying to make Damon seem like a good guy, which wasn't in tune with how he was in season 1.

Rebekah- She was pretty awesome as well. She has grown on me so much. I don't like how she is working with Elena, but I understand it. I loved when she mushed that guys face in the bar. It was hilarious, also the Damon neck snap.

Elena- I don't like this Elena. She is horrible and annoying.

Klaroline- *Vomit* Hate it with a passion. And how dare Klaus try to compare how he is such a shitty person to what Caroline did to save someone's life, her best friend no less. Anyone who knows me, knows I hate Klaus. I really didn't hate him until the second half of the season with all of this Klaroline they are shoving in my face and how they are letting Klaus win always against Tyler. It makes me sick and I cannot wait until he leaves Mystic Falls.

Silas- I like him as a villain. Anyone who can kick Klaus's ass is okay with me. I was screaming for joy when he stabbed him with that stake. I'm glad he will be in pain the next episode, but I hate that there will be more Klaroline fanservice being shoved into my face.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:59 am

I get that what Damon did to Lexi, while hilarious to me, was a dickish thing for him to do, and while I'm not making excuses for him, because he's a dick 99% of the time, to be fair he did tell Lexi he didn't want or need her help but she kept pestering and annoying him. His methods was more than a little extreme but it's her own fault when he told her to leave him alone. I found it funny. And I agree about the other flashbacks, they made him too nice from how he was in s1, so I was glad to see him act like he acts in the present. TBH though, I haven't thought Damon was switched off in season one for awhile now though. I don't see the difference between when he was supposedly switched off to his actions now, when he's switched on and has his humanity. What's the difference? Even the way Katherine acts isn't because of vampirism, it's who she is because of her experience with her whole family getting killed, so she became selfish so she won't get hurt again. And I think Damon's the same. The way he acted in season one was really him, he wasn't switched off, it was just because that's who he is now as a vampire.

Bonnie looked hot this episode, they should keep her hair like it is now. I noticed too that Damon had wanted to come home when he heard about Bonnie. LOL and people think he doesn't care about or love her, it was all about Elena. lol ok then. I did think she was going to die at first though, because it took awhile before anyone actually made the move to save her. Now that the 12 witches are dead she has enough power to open the veil now right? I think the veil will either be opened in 4x18, or it'll happen during prom because their dances and town events always end in murder, lol.

I liked when Caroline kept making little sarcastic comments and jabs at Klaus while they was working together. That made me laugh and enjoy their scenes a bit this episode. I didn't get the flirting though, because like I said in my previous post, she went from saying he's awful to flirting with him during the geometry lesson scene. Oh, and the Klaus playing her thing at the end made me crack up. He made his voice all soft and asked if she needed comfort, then when she nodded her head he told her to find someone who isn't terrible. It would have been more awesome if the tool didn't look regretful after she walked away.

Yes, anyone who kicks Klaus ass and brings him down a notch is cool in my book.Klaus has found someone he can't bully now, because Silas is way stronger than him. I hope he gets his ass kicked next week as well. Don't him and Silas have another confrontation in 4x18, since the synopsis says Klaus see the extent of Silas power, or something like that?

Hey Kray, do you think Klaus will be the one to get the cure? Lots of people are speculating he gets it and becomes a werewolf, and goes to the spinoff like that. I, personally, don't think it'll happen. It's about the originals right? He wouldn't be an Original anymore once he becomes just a werewolf, because isn't him being a vampire tied to him being an Original? I don't think they'll make Klaus that powerless though, TBH. I think he'll be a Hybrid Original on the spinoff but on there he'll actually be redeemed. What do you think? Yay or nay on Klaus getting the cure shoved down his throat, and leaving the show as a werewolf?
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:49 am

Yea, he initially said he didn't want her help but he went along with it for 6 months and played on her emotions. That's what makes it so messed up and then kills her because he was guilty. He was a villain so I get it, he did horrible things. What I don't get is when did he turn her humanity back on? Because obviously he had it on when season 1 started because otherwise how did he have feelings for Katherine, which was his motivation to get her out of the tomb. So, yea I do think he had his humanity on, he chose to be a dick. And as for Katherine, I kinda feel like she has no humanity whether she flips a switch or not. I think she chooses to live her life emotionless.

I loved how they did Bonnie's hair this season, with the bangs. I love how she has looked these past few episodes because it's so natural. She is the only one that looks so young still. I made a post on tumblr comparing someone Damon doesn't care about, ie, Tyler and how when Tyler was a threat he was ready to kill him but when Bonnie is being a threat he was ready to come home to help. Which had nothing to do with Elena. The veil won't be opened in 4x18 because they need Bonnie for that and Bonnie isn't in that episode. I think it will happen in 4x19 TBH.

I used to be okay with the Klaroline banter in the first half of this season, but now I'm over it completely. I am beginning to feel how you feel about Stefan, about Klaus LOL. I don't like that feeling. I hate how contrived Klaroline is and so forced, it makes me gag. I much prefer Klaus when he doesn't have scenes with Caroline, so I can't wait for him to go to his own show. And yea, they will definitely redeem him, I hope they do it in the right way though and not rush through it. I honestly don't believe he will get the cure. I can see why people would think that though. Tyler would be safe to come back because Klaus isn't a threat, Elena could live a normal human life if she had the option, and in general Klaus won't be so indestructible because at least with the other Originals, they can be daggered. But like you said, why call the show the Original's if the main Original isn't an Original? Makes no sense lol. Unless they change the name of the show if it gets picked up, I don't see Klaus getting the cure.

Has the synopsis for 4x19 come out yet? I'm looking forward to seeing that really.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:49 pm

I don't know when he turned back on, but it'll probably be explained in a flashback I'm guessing. I thought Damon was switched off in season one when TVD first aired, but as the seasons went on I thought that less and less, because, honestly, what does he do differently with his humanity that he didn't do when he was supposedly switched off? He still doesn't care about collateral damage, innocent lives, he still more or less kills and murder people without remorse, but less than he did in s1, he still resorts to violence and murdering, he still lashes out, what's different? That's why I came to the conclusion he was never switched off, how he acts is who he is. Vampirism heightens what you already are as a human, so maybe he was always a dick deep down, but his sweet, nice side in that period of his life was more dominant, whereas his dickish side is more dominant as a vampire?

So yeah, I don't get how s1 Damon was switched off, but he still more or less acts the same dickish way and resorts to a lot of his old ways alot even with humanity. Like his solution for everything usually being violence or murdering people. I can name examples from this season alone, so how is s1 Damon and this Damon different?

Damon is pissed that Matt lives and Elena became a vampire. What does he do? He beats him up the beginning of 4x01 and tries to kill him at the end of 4x01.


Tyler is getting in the way of their cure stuff. What does Damon suggest? Kill Tyler. Even in s2 he volunteered to kill TYler, remember? He said something like Tyler needs to die and he's willing to kill him, so win-win in s2.

He needs information from Shane at MMF. What does he do? Tries to break his hand lol. Then later he ties him up and tortures him for information about the cure.

He threatens to rip Stefan's heart off this season to get information from him.

Nuff said.

How old is Kat Graham anyway? Because she does look really young as Bonnie still. I noticed that during the scene with Stefan where he tells her Jeremy is dead. And yeah, I def. think it'll happen at prom since none of their town events and dances go off without a hitch, lol.

TBH I think they'll getting their hopes up too much, because I can't see them taking away what makes Klaus, Klaus. I may not like him but I do think he'll still be an Hybrid Original for the spinoff, because he'll be too weak as a werewolf. Aren't werewolves weaker than vampires? Who would take him seriously? Not that I take him seriously anyway, lol.

I think people want him to get the cure because then Damon won't get it and become human. But I think Damon will be the one to get it because he's actually the only one who is disgusted by the mere thought of being human, besides Klaus. So I think Silas will crash their prom and the veil will be lifted. Do you think Silas actually has the power to bring back all the people who died, or will the veil do that?

Nope, the synopsis for 4x19 hasn't came out yet. When do they usually come out?
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:59 pm

Double post! Ok, here's my latest theory about this Silas stuff. I admit to not really paying attention to it, but from what little I know, the guise of it is that Silas wants to be reunited with his wife and kid right? So he wants to use the cure to be mortal, and then kill himself to be on the other side with them. But, unless I'm mistaken and correct me if I am, his wife and kid aren't supernatural right? So they wouldn't be on the other side of the veil because it's only supernatural there right? So that doesn't make sense since he would just end up on the side of the veil.

Sooo, Yeah, I'm starting to think that once the veil is completely destroyed everyone will automatically cross over and find peace, otherwise what Silas is trying to do makes no sense. Silas wants to use the cure to be mortal, die, and go to be with his wife right? Except she wouldn't be on the other side of the veil since she isn't supernatural. So I think he knows that completely destroying the veil will make everyone cross over and find peace, so he needs the veil to be gone before he tries to kill himself. And to do that he's telling everyone that he'll bring everyone back who died in his name, and everyone from the other side, their loved ones, etc.

I'm also confused about what the cure does exactly? Does it turn you human, or does it do something so that you're still a vampire but different? I think each time Shane explained the story things changed about the story and what the cure does.

And why does his plan absolutely need the veil to come down if it isn't important? Didn't he thank Klaus for the massacre this episode because now Bonnie has enough power to bring the veil down, and he told Klaus all he needs is the cure now. So if the cure turns you human, why bring the veil down? Why is that important to his plan? I think the cure is a weapon, like how the white oak stake is the only thing that can kill a Original, so it must weaken him enough to be killed, but since the veil would still be up he wouldn't reunite with his family, so he needs it destroyed. The veil wouldn't be important at all if the cure turns you human, since the other side of the veil is for supernaturals only.

What do you think, Kray?

EDIT: I have it now! I forgot he's a witch as well. So once the cure is taken and he's no longer a vampire, he'll become a witch again, ie supernatural, so he needs the veil destroyed once and for all so he can go be with his wife and kid. So I'm guessing once the veil is destroyed it's gone for good, and that when supernaturals die they'll cross over to wherever automatically, and that's why he needs it gone.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:37 pm

Yea, Silas was a witch and Qetsiyah created the spell to make him immortal and he wanted his love to be immortal too, but Q thought he would ask her to become immortal so she was spiteful and killed Silas's love entombed him and left the cure with him. So when he takes the cure he will be a witch/human but still Supernatural and if he died he would still go to the Other Side. So he needs the veil to come down so that there is no "other side" and I guess the supernatural would just go to heaven/hell? Or wherever they go on MF when a human dies lol. Silas had no son, Shane is the one that has the son and wife, Silas just has his girlfriend/true love that he wants to reunite with that was human. She isn't on the other side so that's why he wants the veil gone. Qetsiyah made the other side because she was bitter that Silas had chosen someone else over her so she knew if he died he would reunite with his love so she created the other side strictly for supernaturals so when he died that's where he would go and not with his lady love. Qetsiyah's descendents created the 5 so that they could find Silas's tomb give him the cure and kill him.

It is confusing because like you said everytime Shane explained the cure he didn't necessarily say it would turn anyone human. I remember at the lakehouse he mentioned something about removing bloodlust. So, idk it's a bit confusing, like the writers didn't have it down straight or either Shane didn't have all of the details. I'm sure it's that Shane didn't have all of the details though.

See, Silas had manipulated Shane when Shane first went to Nova Scotia. Shane bled on him so Silas was able to give Shane hallucinations of his wife. He knew Shane wanted to reunited with his wife and son so badly that he manipulated him into doing his bidding by making him believe that all of the people sacrificed would be brought back to life, not just the people on the other side and once he didn't need Shane anymore he killed him. Now he is manipulating and controlling Bonnie in the same way and using Jeremy's death as his leverage.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:49 pm

Since this is unrelated, I wanted to post in a different post.

About Damon, I totally agree. Damon is an asshole, he was one when he started the show and he is one now. Josh, I love that you don't make all the excuses or try to make Damon something that he is not, unlike a lot of DE/Damon stans do. I love Damon for who he is, and while I do want him to redeem himself, I want it to be in an honest fashion. Just because he has been doing good things here and there he still hasn't redeemed himself and I think when he does, the people who seem him now as some angel won't even get to enjoy his redemption or see it. I really think his redemption arc will start after this season, especially because after him dealing with this Elena and her free will stuff.

Kat Graham, is the youngest cast member. She just turned 23 in September. And then Nina just turned 24 in Jan.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:11 am

Thank you for the recap, because I seriously wasn't paying attention during the Silas stuff. But I do think that destroying the veil just makes every supernatural who dies cross over and find peace, and the "waiting room" that is there with the veil is gone so they don't have to sit there and watch everyone whose still alive. So taking the cure will take away his vampirism but he'll still be a witch, so he needs the veil to be gone so he can reunite with his wife. Maybe it's a weapon against vampirism and will weaken Silas, like how the Originals can only be killed with the white oak stake. Or maybe him taking the cure will leave him vulnerable, like with Klaus successfully doing the sacrifice left him vulnerable.

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Since this is unrelated, I wanted to post in a different post.

About Damon, I totally agree. Damon is an asshole, he was one when he started the show and he is one now. Josh, I love that you don't make all the excuses or try to make Damon something that he is not, unlike a lot of DE/Damon stans do. I love Damon for who he is, and while I do want him to redeem himself, I want it to be in an honest fashion. Just because he has been doing good things here and there he still hasn't redeemed himself and I think when he does, the people who seem him now as some angel won't even get to enjoy his redemption or see it. I really think his redemption arc will start after this season, especially because after him dealing with this Elena and her free will stuff.

Kat Graham, is the youngest cast member. She just turned 23 in September. And then Nina just turned 24 in Jan.

Thank you, I try not to excuse Damon in anything he does. I can't remember if I said it on here or the other forum, but I know that Damon is flawed, that he does stupid things and is impulsive, that when he does stupid things he sometimes try to make up for them, and that he can be very selfish at times. That's why I love him, because he's a flawed character and that he makes mistakes but tries to atone. I like that he doesn't mind being the bad guy, making the tough decisions, and that he's morally gray and will do what needs to be done, even if that means killing people and collateral damage.

Sure he's changed since season one, but he still reverts back to his old methods and habits to get shit done and be the bad guy. Like you said he's not a angel nor is he suddenly the good guy of the show, he still does questionable and controversial things and still amoral as he was in s1. I say this a lot because it's true, but he is an asshole 99% of the time to everyone and does some shitty things a lot, a lot of the time without remorse. So yeah, I can see that he has changed a bit from season one, but it's not like it's a drastic change since he's more or less doing the same things as s1.

I also agree with you that his redemption will start next season, because he's not done yet with his journey, nor is he a good guy by any means. He's still making mistakes and falling into his old habits. I mean, for sure the only thing that's changed since s1 is he doesn't sleep around anymore, honestly that's it IMO. He more or less still kills people for either no reason, because he doesn't care, because it serves his purpose or agenda, or because that person pissed him off. So yeah, his redemption arc isn't over by far.

And thank you for seeing that I don't make excuses for Damon a lot, because there have been times I have, I think you don't make excuses for him either and will call him on his crap he does.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:31 pm

That's basically what I was saying. Silas said, the other side will disappear and the supernatural will go to wherever the humans go when they die or whatever. So, when he takes the cure and become human (because there is no other way he can die so that's why he needs the cure), he can kill himself to be able to go wherever the humans go when they die to be with his love. But, I think the only person that truly knows what will happen is Qetsiyah since she is the one who created the spell, so I guess that's why we have so many questions about because like the sire bond the characters don't have much information or experience about either one.

And you are welcome. I'm not even joking but I often here people who aren't pro-DE/Damon say they get turned off from that pairing because of the fans. I know not all are like that, but some DE'rs make it hard to be a fan of that pairing because I have often felt this way and I know a lot of others feel the same. Although, I do love Damon, but I love him for who he is and not what I made up in my mind that he is, which is something I see often.

You know Bonnie is my favorite character but I am quick to call her out. Just like I hope they don't do a cop out and have her not remember anything about what she is doing because I want her to own up to her shit when its all said and done so that she can grow from it. But I will be a liar if I said I haven't defended her, it's only natural. But also know when she is wrong and that she is not perfect at all. So, yea I have seen you defend Damon, but it's not extreme or condescending when someone has a different view point.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:47 pm

Silas seems harmless as long as you stay out of his way, and plus no one is coming back from the other side so they can just give him the cure, but since I think Damon is turning human this season Silas probably won't get it. The only downside is the massacres needed for the spell to bring down the veil. Other than that if they just leave Silas alone he won't hurt them, but if one of them get the cure then Silas will probably be the Big Bad next season.

We are a lot alike then and call our faves out on their crap. Like Damon in 4x01 for example. I didn't like how he beat up and tried to kill Matt. Wasn't Matt doing the same thing that Damon himself do? Matt disregarded Elena's decision and took matters into his own hands. Isn't that what Damon do on a daily basis? lol, so why was he condemning and trying to kill Matt for something he himself does all the time? To be fair it wasn't really Matt's fault. Yeah, Matt took her out of the safety of her home and put her in danger, but it was Rebekah who caused the accident. And it was Stefan who left Elena down there in the water, yet I didn't see Damon beating up and trying to kill Stefan. So yeah, I didn't like that at all, and I could have seen if he had stopped at choking Matt like he did in the beginning of the episode, but he took it farther and tried to kill him later. Not that choking him was any better, but he took it too far with the killing. But that's Damon I guess. I just don't see why he got pissed at Matt for doing the exact same thing he does with Elena all the time. Does that mean that next time Damon does something like Matt did but Elena gets seriously hurts, does that mean someone can kick his ass and try to kill him?

Speaking of Bonnie, does she really not remember everything that happened after she got off the island with Damon? Was it because of Silas screwing with her mind, or because of the cleansing thing the coven of witches tried? If it was Silas he must have done something to her mind before she woke up on the island in 4x15. He even managed to get into Rebekah, a Original, mind. He must be pretty powerful, I think we see more of his power in 4x18 because the synopsis says Klaus gains a new understanding of Silas power. Hope he kicks his ass again TBH.

I agree, I hope they don't go the route of her not remembering anything. But then again, she must have been having her mind fucked with by Silas, because I don't think she would readily agree with killing 12 people, especially witches. So I do think Silas somehow got into her mind and manipulated her, like Shane did in the earlier episodes.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:37 am

Yea, Silas seems harmless but I think it's a lot we don't know about him that we will find out this week. I definitely don't think Silas will get the cure. It won't be that easy, I don't think. I also think Damon will get the cure, he has been so adamant about not wanting it, it only makes sense that he does get it.

Yea, I was so pissed with Damon the entire episode 4x01 lol, I was mad at him much of all the early season 4 stuff. But yea that Matt stuff was just irritating. Because it was totally something Damon has done before, umm remember him taking matters into his own hands in season 2 and feeding Elena his blood before the sacrifice. Had it not been for Bonnie and John, she would have been a vampire then, I will say that he did kick his own ass for that move though.

I'm not sure if she does or not, I have seen theories where people think she is faking just to get people off her back about what happened. And then I thought like Stefan said, it was the ritual the witches were doing. Maybe when they were trying to erase expression magic, the only way to do it was to wipe the memories from when she first started using it and since they didn't finish, and only got to wipe out to the cave.

I do think she would be capable of going through with the killings with Silas' manipulations. Because she was in on the plan to have Jeremy kill a hybrid to start his hunter's mark, and she was seemingly okay with Jeremy having to kill to finish his tattoo, and then she was going to help them kill Kol (in turn killing hundreds of thousands vampires), so I think she was more than capable of doing it because we know she would do anything for the ones she love.

Having her memories wiped really serve no purpose. But I guess maybe JP wants Bonnie's character to keep that innocence about her and that's why they didn't have her directly kill the witches. That or they had Caroline to do it to prop Klaroline, so they could taint Caroline's character and put her on even playing fields with Klaus. Even though the 2 are not even nothing alike.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 pm

Did Bonnie actually know about Chris though? I thought she only knew that Jeremy had to kill a vampire or supernatural to save Elena? And with Kol, to be fair, he had just tried to kill her earlier in the episode, and him and his family is the cause of everything bad in Mystic falls since s2. And isn't Bonnie always willing to kill vampires because she hates them? I can't see her actually hurting humans or witches though, that's why I think it was Silas manipulating her the whole time since he can get into others heads. I think if she was in her right mind she would have been the first to say hell no to killing 12 people, even if that meant seeing their loved ones again.

Yeah, like you said, there have been plenty of times Damon has disregarded Elena and several other people's choices and decisions, instead going around them and coming up with his own plans on what they should do. He still does that as well. He doesn't like their plan then he'll go off script off and do what he wants instead. I thought it was OTT and unnecessary when he tried to kill Matt, but I can't exactly say it wasn't IC for him to do, because it totally was. Yeah, he's changed but he's more or less the same to me. But that was shitty what he did to Matt when he does the same thing. But I'm looking forward to seeing more of his redemption and see how far his journey goes.

Oh yeah, even though I liked Klaus playing her at the end I didn't see why she let him get to her. Her killing 12 people is still less than the amount of kills Klaus has racked up, even if we only go back season 2 up to season 4 and don't count off-screen deaths, or deaths and people he may have killed over the many years he's been alive. Klaus is just lame, and I'm glad he's not on Silas level.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:10 pm

Kray, check this out.

http://tvline.com/2013/03/25/vampire-diaries-season-4-spoilers-video-katherine-rebekah-cure-battle/

I don't understand what Rebekah says about Kat compelling someone to love her? Can you? I can't actually hear what she says, only the compelled to love you part after it. Besides that their banter is hilarious and I want to see a girl fight, even though Rebekah is stronger though so it wouldn't really work out well for Kat.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:20 am

Trust me, the last person you have to defend Bonnie's actions to is me. Like I said, I get why she did those things. I don't believe she knew about Chris or who she was, but she still was on the plan to kill. When in season 2, when they told her they were going to kill Katherine she gave them major side eye like excuse me, please explain. And with Kol, I am not against Kol's death at all, but she was in on the plan to kill him before he tried to kill her and she knew it would kill thousands or unsuspecting vamps, and didn't know if they were innocent or not. And besides he did tell her since the witches are supernatural that they would be brought back to life when the veil drops While, in general she doesn't like vamps because as a witch it's her basic nature to hate them, and having 2 best friends who are vamps, Tyler, and her mom I don't think you can exactly say she hates vamps, she isn't so black and white about it anymore and knows it's a grey area to it now. And yes, she is being manipulated by Shane, never said she wasn't. What I said is that she would readily do it with his manipulations because he is guilting her into believing it's her fault that Jeremy died so she wants to fix it now. So I'm not sure why you think I am saying otherwise lol. But having her seemingly not remember is a cop out to not having her own up to what she is doing, IMO. That's why I hope she was lying about it or gets her memory back. I guess I will just wait and see where they take it.

Yea I have seen on tumblr where some Klaroline fans are saying that Caroline has always been like Klaus. I'm like really, LOL. What show are they watching. They are vamps so I'm not opposed to every kill they do. But Caroline may have killed 12 witches but I truly don't believe she even thought twice that she was killing 12 people, she was just trying to save her friend. But the difference between what Klaus and Caroline did is that Klaus killed his hybrids for revenge and spitefulness and bitterness and from every ugly nasty place, while Caroline killed those witches because of love, love of her best friend. I hate that they had Caroline do it because it was solely done by Caroline so that the writers can prop Klaroline some more before this spinoff. It's nauseating.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x17 [Because of the Night]   Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:44 am

Oh yea, I saw that clip yesterday. And I think Rebekah said that Katherine compelled the whole town to love her. I guess she is hiding in a really small town and compelled all of the residents there.

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