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PostSubject: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:52 am

Discuss episode 9 of TVD.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:56 am

The episode was okay. Kind of confusing with the whole Shane/Silas talk. I probably will watch again to pay more attention to that.

Beremy was the best thing on the episode. I just love them!


I pretty much called the rest that was going to happen, Damon "letting Elena go." Klaus killing Carol for revenge. I will say I didn't expect what happened with April, I wonder what's going to happen with her now that she knows about the craziness in MF.

Also, can't wait for Rebekah's return surprisingly because I used to hate her.

I'm just glad my bb Tyler is alive and well...for now.

Klaus is an ass. Joseph Morgan is an amazing actor though.

Everything else was bleh.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 pm

I really liked it, mostly because the focus was not so much on the triangle this episode.

I'm sure this isn't the end of Delena. I expect Elena to start chasing Damon (rather than the other way around) and to try to prove to him that she really does love him.

I still can't get 100% behind Beremy as a couple, but I do think they have a cute relationship. They care deeply about one another.

I'm so intrigued by Shane. I want his storyline to unfold already!

RIP Carol. Sad We saw it coming, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:31 pm

good episode, it was quite slow at starting though
I am so confused about this plan that hayley/klaus/Shane have going on though!
I really dislike Haykey now, she just started really irritating me this episode -_-
Beremy scenes were cute, as were the Elena/Jeremy scenes
I honesty couldn't care less about the Delena fuss this episode, I wasn't really listening tbh..
TYLER, I FEEL SO SO SORRY FOR MY BABY. I mean, he cared for his pack, the fact that he was prepared to get frozen in concrete proves that, so he must be extremely upset that they all died. THEN KLAUS KILLED HIM MOM, WHAT? I thought it might happen, especially after the conversation with his mom about graduation cause they would never normally show a scene like that, but I actually despise Klaus now. The next episode is just going to be him either falling apart or him planning in killing Klaus again, but I can't wait! I feel so sorry for him though Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:39 pm

I think we are suppose to be confused about this plan. From what I could gather:

Tyler planned on taking out Klaus by doing the body swap with himself again and burying his body in cement since Klaus' essence in a hybrid wouldn't be as strong as his normal Original hybrid body. Leaving Tyler to roam around in Klaus' body until the hybrids were
long gone.

So, I assume either way Hayley was going to cross Tyler, and that she never intended to do the body swap because I assume Shane's plan was to have Klaus kill the 12 hybrids to prepare for whatever ritual he is planning to do? I don't believe Klaus knew he was being set up though.

It's confusing, I plan to watch the episode again so I may understand it better after a second watch.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:04 am

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:33 pm

LOL! Sorry Razz
Every time I scroll through I stop and stare at it myself.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:44 pm

This episode was ok, but kinda boring IMO. There wasn't really any action until Klaus killed the hybirds then Mayor Lockwood. And I actually also called it that Damon would let Elena go for the mid-season finale, and that she'll be single for the second half of the season, but the other DE fans said he wasn't going to do it until the season finale. They said because in order to let her go he has to actually leave town, so they didn't see that happening until the season finale, but he actually did it like I said.

Over on the other boards we also are speculating that Damon will die this season for the cure. He'll be the last vampire sacrificed to complete the mark, or will willingly die to get the cure for Elena, then him dying will free Elena from the sire bond. So yeah, there are a bunch of DE fans speculating that Damon dies this season.

I feel bad that Tyler's mom was a consequence of him trying to go against Klaus. I'm sure Tyler will for sure try to get some kind of payback against Klaus, which is why I think he helps Rebekah with her revenge scheme against Klaus. Also there was this review posted on the DE forums where a recapper said Tyler was selfish because he's trying to kill Klaus, who is the way to the cure, and that he should be thinking about whether his girlfriend or Elena wants the cure or not. WTF? Uh, why should Tyler care one way or the other about Elena? I'm glad he's not in this stupid drama over how different Elena is, or who she does or doesn't have sex with, which is basically the whole reason Stefan and Caroline want the cure, for Elena.

Why is Tyler selfish because he's not of the hive mind that the entire universe revolves around Elena Gilbert? He hardly even talks to her, why should he care whether she's human or not? Maybe he thinks she's still the same and doesn't need the cure? Or maybe he just doesn't care. Wasn't the whole reason Tyler was mad in 4x06(?) because they decided one innocent life was a suitable alternative to Elena dying? So why would he be Team Cure when it's basically killing vampires they don't know, all for Elena to be human again? Isn't freeing the slaved hybrids a more important and righteous goal? They are slaves to do Klaus's bidding, with no free will.

Besides, why is Tyler being called out on being selfish for not trying to get the cure for Caroline, his girlfriend, or Elena, his friend, when the whole reason the cure is wanted is for Elena to be human again? IF Caroline wants the cure, she's a big girl, she has a mouth. And why is Tyler selfish when since finding out about the cure no one was asked whether they wanted it or not. Stefan didn't ask Caroline if she wanted it, is he selfish? Caroline didn't ask Stefan, is she selfish? Stefan didn't ask Damon. No one is trying to track down Bonnie's mom to offer her the cure. So why is Tyler the only selfish one because he doesn't care about the cure.

The cure is only basically for Elena, going by the reason they want the cure. And isn't the cure and the reason they want it selfish? Selfish because they think Elena is different and want her back to her old self, regardless of the consequences of her turning human again, which is being Klaus human blood bag, and because they think her feelings for Damon will disappear? Also selfish because of the innocent vampires to be killed to complete Jeremy's mark? So yeah, I think Tyler wanting to free slaves is way more important than this drama surrounding Elena's love life.

BTW, we are also speculating that the cure isn't even a cure, but most likely a way to resurrect Silas. Or something else like the cure doesn't actually turn you human, but kills you.

Klaus was Badass this episode. This is the Klaus I like. I hate when they take Badass characters and soften them for a stupid love triangle. This is the Klaus I want to see more of.

We was speculating that Shane actually hypnotized Elena, not Jeremy, since that was the first time she described the effects of the sire bond as her wanting to fight, but her body forcing her to do what was told. And we are also speculating that the sire bond must be useful for Shane somehow, which is why he doesn't want it broken?

Lastly, I want Bonnie to go dark, she will be awesome. I also want Beremy to happen again. Loved their scenes in this episode.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:00 am

Tyler is my favorite guy, so what that reviewer said is disgusting. What Tyler did, or what he was going to do is one of the most selfless things anyone has ever done on this show. He was willing to give up his life for not only the sake of his hybrid pack, but for his friends as well--including Elena. Like you said he and Elena have never been close and the only reason he is in the loop is because of Caroline. I'm sick of how this show always shows how Elena's life is more important that anyone else. I don't think Caroline even really wants the cure. I'm glad everyone will be divided on this cure business and not just everyone on Team Elena trying to race for this "cure."

As for the cure, I don't think anyone believes its an actual cure. I think it's a lot more to it. Like the sun and the moon curse, they thought it would break the curse so the werewolves wouldn't have to turn. And well, it did if you think about it. But it was a lot more complicated than that. So this "cure" will probably be some big complicated mess as well.

As for Shane hypnotizing Elena, I really don't see it that way. If anything I think Shane hypnotized Jeremy when Bonnie went to talk to Caroline on the phone. If you look at the clip he went and sat in front of him when she walked away. I honestly don't think Shane gives a crap about the sire bond TBH. I think what Elena said about wanting to stay but not being able to was just the writers way of showing us about how the sire bond works.

I love Beremy, obviously. But Jeremy has a shit load of apologizing and explaining to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:30 am

I wanted More Bonnie this Ep We had Her and Shane at the same place I wanted to see more of them
Tyler MY Boy got his Mom taking from him and found out his friend was not there for him and his Pack got Killed by a Loser My little pony Klaus ' I want Tyler to Have revenge
We need more Matt
April needs to die
When Care told Stefan that about what Damon & Elena was liying to him and that Stefan put his Trusts in Damon as Family only to be shown that Damon in not the Brother he hoped Damon would be. Paul IS a Great Actor he showed all of that on his face.
Shane is up and a lot for something he is a big puppet master and every body is dancing his way
Jeremy was ok this ep I am NOT here for him and Bonnie at all Bon can do a lot better then Jeremy
We saw Rebecca so we know she is coming back in a Queen B way and she is bringing Kol with her
Hope we will see Rudy so him and Bonnie can have some Family time
Elijah needs to pop up some time now and I want him to say he is sorry to Bonnie


Well JP say Damon really did not break the sire Bond so Elena is still not thinking for her self so all that time they spent on DE was for shit and was useless
JP got to do better to get these ratings back up DE is not bring in all the fans

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:58 pm

Yeah, I love Tyler as well, so I don't get why he's the only one being called out for not caring about the cure. How do they know with 100% certainty that the cure exists? That it's real? Just because he doesn't care about Elena being human or vampire don't mean he's selfish. Since people are saying he's selfish, wasn't Damon, Jeremy, Bonnie, Stefan, and Caroline selfish in 4x05 when they killed one of his hybrid friends, just to stop Elena from her hallucinations? Why should one of his friends, someone who he swore to that he wouldn't let anything happen to, be sacrificed just so Elena can live? No one asked or cared about Chris being sacrificed except Tyler, and it was shitty how they went behind Tyler's back and killed his friend like that. Elena is not more important than an innocent, and that was Tyler's point to Caroline in 4x05, why is it ok for his friend to die, a innocent person, just to save Elena?

Isn't that basically what's happening now? Damon and Jeremy are training in 4x10 in order for Jeremy to be able to take on random vampires, vampires they don't even know but decided it's ok to kill them. Even though I'm def. a Damon stan and ship Delena, I'm 100% in agreement with Tyler, it's not ok and I'm glad he isn't a part of this cure business. Here's a thought, why wasn't Damon or even Stefan killed to save Elena? How is their lives more important, but innocent lives aren't? I know, I know, they are main characters, but let's pretend that isn't the case. Why not kill one of them? Jeremy killing one of them would have had the same desired effect as killing Chris.

Oh, and I don't think that any ship, Delena or SE is really responsible for low ratings or high ratings. There's lots of things that can influence ratings, people not watching, holidays, work, etc. I think when 4x09 aired it was the final week of school before break right? People have to study for exams and all that, I know I had to, so I missed the aired episode but caught it online later. I don't think any ship on any tv show is responsible for low ratings.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:28 pm

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Yeah, I love Tyler as well, so I don't get why he's the only one being called out for not caring about the cure. How do they know with 100% certainty that the cure exists? That it's real? Just because he doesn't care about Elena being human or vampire don't mean he's selfish. Since people are saying he's selfish, wasn't Damon, Jeremy, Bonnie, Stefan, and Caroline selfish in 4x05 when they killed one of his hybrid friends, just to stop Elena from her hallucinations? Why should one of his friends, someone who he swore to that he wouldn't let anything happen to, be sacrificed just so Elena can live? No one asked or cared about Chris being sacrificed except Tyler, and it was shitty how they went behind Tyler's back and killed his friend like that. Elena is not more important than an innocent, and that was Tyler's point to Caroline in 4x05, why is it ok for his friend to die, a innocent person, just to save Elena?
Yea, they really don't know. It's just word of mouth really. But why would Tyler want it when his werewolf life was hell for him. And he and Elena aren't close at all, and he doesn't see where she is being harmed or anything, so he has no good reason to go along with it. I really don't think Bonnie knew who was being sacrificed for Jeremy to kill. I'm sure if she knew it was actually a good guy that there were killing she would have opposed and probably Jeremy too. The people that pissed me off about Chris were Stefan and Caroline because they knew he was a decent guy and that he had just sacrificed himself to help them once already. I love Stefan and I'm okay with Caroline but I can't get over that.

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Isn't that basically what's happening now? Damon and Jeremy are training in 4x10 in order for Jeremy to be able to take on random vampires, vampires they don't even know but decided it's ok to kill them. Even though I'm def. a Damon stan and ship Delena, I'm 100% in agreement with Tyler, it's not ok and I'm glad he isn't a part of this cure business. Here's a thought, why wasn't Damon or even Stefan killed to save Elena? How is their lives more important, but innocent lives aren't? I know, I know, they are main characters, but let's pretend that isn't the case. Why not kill one of them? Jeremy killing one of them would have had the same desired effect as killing Chris.
It's not okay at all, it's really messed up actually and I love all the characters involved in it. I think Jeremy would kill either Damon or Stefan in a hearbeat TBH. That had to come up with this detour stuff in order for him not to. I do think he will kill Kol and that's how the map will get completed.

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Oh, and I don't think that any ship, Delena or SE is really responsible for low ratings or high ratings. There's lots of things that can influence ratings, people not watching, holidays, work, etc. I think when 4x09 aired it was the final week of school before break right? People have to study for exams and all that, I know I had to, so I missed the aired episode but caught it online later. I don't think any ship on any tv show is responsible for low ratings.

I think it has a bit of influence, but also like you said people have lives and things happen that won't allow someone to watch a show live. I know I rarely watch it live, but I have 2 year old twins so I usually watch online after it airs. I think if ratings go down it's because people just don't like the overall scheme of things as far as SL's go. But I do believe things like ships and characters have some weight on the ratings but definitely not all.

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:45 pm

I honestly think the cure will turn out to be a wild goose chase. I mean, didn't the Hunter dude Rebekah love basically lie to her so he could kill her? I don't think the cure is real, at all, and it's a way to resurrect Silas or the Big Bad for this season. A lot of other Damon fans think Damon will die this season, or he will be possessed, because there have been lots of hints to him dying this season so far.

Also, I remember someone saying that JP said Shane stuff will be coming to a head soon, by 4x15(?) if I'm not mistaken. So I guess that's when the Big Bad will be revealed?

@Kraybaby: What you said about Jeremy killing one of the Salvatores will def. happen I think. People are speculating that Jeremy will kill one of the Salvatores to complete the map, or a sacrifice will need to happen to find the cure.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:18 am

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Yeah, I love Tyler as well, so I don't get why he's the only one being called out for not caring about the cure. How do they know with 100% certainty that the cure exists? That it's real? Just because he doesn't care about Elena being human or vampire don't mean he's selfish. Since people are saying he's selfish, wasn't Damon, Jeremy, Bonnie, Stefan, and Caroline selfish in 4x05 when they killed one of his hybrid friends, just to stop Elena from her hallucinations? Why should one of his friends, someone who he swore to that he wouldn't let anything happen to, be sacrificed just so Elena can live? No one asked or cared about Chris being sacrificed except Tyler, and it was shitty how they went behind Tyler's back and killed his friend like that. Elena is not more important than an innocent, and that was Tyler's point to Caroline in 4x05, why is it ok for his friend to die, a innocent person, just to save Elena?

Couldn't have put it better! The problem with this show is that people just watch it for Stefan/Elena/Damon and they don't give a crap about the other characters. So when Tyler said he didn't want the cure, they just assumed he was going to stop everyone else from getting it, which he isn't! Tyler isn't selfish, he just doesn't want to break all his bones again, which is understandable! Also, I still haven't forgiven Caroline & Stefan for killing Chris. I'm more pissed at Caroline since she actually knew that Tyler cared about him, but she still went and killed him. Then she wonders why Tyler spent time with Hayley, maybe it's because she didn't kill his friends? I really don't like Caroline this season bounce

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:20 pm

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Yeah, I love Tyler as well, so I don't get why he's the only one being called out for not caring about the cure. How do they know with 100% certainty that the cure exists? That it's real? Just because he doesn't care about Elena being human or vampire don't mean he's selfish. Since people are saying he's selfish, wasn't Damon, Jeremy, Bonnie, Stefan, and Caroline selfish in 4x05 when they killed one of his hybrid friends, just to stop Elena from her hallucinations? Why should one of his friends, someone who he swore to that he wouldn't let anything happen to, be sacrificed just so Elena can live? No one asked or cared about Chris being sacrificed except Tyler, and it was shitty how they went behind Tyler's back and killed his friend like that. Elena is not more important than an innocent, and that was Tyler's point to Caroline in 4x05, why is it ok for his friend to die, a innocent person, just to save Elena?

Couldn't have put it better! The problem with this show is that people just watch it for Stefan/Elena/Damon and they don't give a crap about the other characters. So when Tyler said he didn't want the cure, they just assumed he was going to stop everyone else from getting it, which he isn't! Tyler isn't selfish, he just doesn't want to break all his bones again, which is understandable! Also, I still haven't forgiven Caroline & Stefan for killing Chris. I'm more pissed at Caroline since she actually knew that Tyler cared about him, but she still went and killed him. Then she wonders why Tyler spent time with Hayley, maybe it's because she didn't kill his friends? I really don't like Caroline this season bounce

I don't like Caroline this season either, but it's more to do with Delena and her being a hypocrite. I actually haven't liked Caroline since like s2 actually. Yeah, I get what you mean though. They get on Damon's case for the way he does things, but they did the same thing that episode. Neither of them felt bad about sacrificing Chris at all, he was just a means to an end to help Elena.

And then to make it worse, Caroline hangs out with Klaus the entire MMF pageant laughing and having fun with him, and doesn't give her boyfriend a second glance. Then when he needs her by his side, she runs and blabs Tyler's plan to Stefan. Tyler deserves better, and I actually liked him and Hayley before she turned out to be Team Shane.

I also heard that Tyler might be going on the run from Klaus and will be on an "extended absence" from the show. Actually it didn't say which character, but people are speculating that it'll be Tyler, since he has an extended absence from the show like each season.

In conclusion though, I'm not liking the way they are writing Caroline's character this season. What happened to loyal Caroline, whose loyal to her boyfriend? To me it seems like she's a Stelena prop this season, and if she is do they have to go so OTT with it? Stefan and Caroline barely had scenes except for like two in s2, yet she's running to him blabbing Tyler's plans like her and Stefan are actually close?

Did you see the stills I posted in the spoilers thread? It seems like Rebekah is flirting with Tyler, and she's the one to call him to get him to the library with the others. I think forwood might be over in 4x10 probably.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:04 pm

Really? He's leaving the show AGAIN? Ugh, that's so irritating! About the Caroline/Stefan relationship that's going on, I feel like its quite forced. They have gone from not really talking to being together constantly! She spends more time with Stefan and Klaus than Tyler, which annoys me since they're dating. It might be secret and stuff but they're still dating. Tbh I would like a Tyler/Rebekah relationship at the moment cause I really don't like Caroline right now and I think Tyler deserves better Smile I would like to see some tonnie scenes in this season too Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:55 pm

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Really? He's leaving the show AGAIN? Ugh, that's so irritating! About the Caroline/Stefan relationship that's going on, I feel like its quite forced. They have gone from not really talking to being together constantly! She spends more time with Stefan and Klaus than Tyler, which annoys me since they're dating. It might be secret and stuff but they're still dating. Tbh I would like a Tyler/Rebekah relationship at the moment cause I really don't like Caroline right now and I think Tyler deserves better Smile I would like to see some tonnie scenes in this season too Very Happy

WOW!! I thought I honestly was the only person who thought the Steroline thing is forced this season. They aren't even really friends imo. They had like 3-4 scenes in s2 and it was only him teaching her to be a vampire. After that they barely even talked to each other, but now all of a sudden they're super best friends? She's running to him and blabbling Tyler's plans, soothing him over his breakup with Elena, spending more time with Stefan than her own boyfriend, and letting him sleep over? And for all her talk about trying to be a friend to Elena, she's comforting Stefan over the breakup, not the best friend she knew before either of the Salvatore's came to town. IMO, they've made Caroline really OTT and made Steroline friends outta nowhere because, he would need a friend after SE breakup for this season.

I hope Tyler don't leave though, have someone else leave. Klaus and the Originals are supposed to be getting their own show right? So have one of them leave, they're going to be leaving soon anyway for their own show. I would like Tyler/Rebekah as well, I liked them ever since last season so I hope they get a shot. I would like to see Tyler/Rebekah instead of Stefan/Rebekah, if they are really going to have Stefan sleep with her.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:33 am

Exactly, Caroline should be there for Elena more than Stefan, even if she is in the wrong! I've always wanted to see Tyler and Bonnie together, so I hope they hive them a shot Smile are the originals actually getting their own show!? I thought it was a joke haha tongue

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:03 pm

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Exactly, Caroline should be there for Elena more than Stefan, even if she is in the wrong! I've always wanted to see Tyler and Bonnie together, so I hope they hive them a shot Smile are the originals actually getting their own show!? I thought it was a joke haha tongue

Steroline have an established relationship since season 2 but in season 3 was nonexistent like every other friendship that season except Dalaric. So imo this is not forced and actually the most realistic relationship on the show so far.

And why should Caroline be there for someone who effing slut shame her and wants her to be happy for her and the guy that abused her AND NEVER apologize nor feel remorse. This is same Elena that laughed at Damon's joke about abusing Caroline in season 1. BTW Stefan is more there for Caroline then Elena is. Also friendship or not it not smart to always be there for people are in the wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, Caroline has gone to the trio of dummies logic when comes to the cure and it really making me hope Tyler dumps her.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:32 pm

that's really true, Elena is such a slut this season but Caroline has known her longer but I also get why Caroline would be on Srefans side. I think she should just keep out of it tbh, she's just making it worse. As I said earlier, I really don't like Caroline this season Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:49 pm

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Exactly, Caroline should be there for Elena more than Stefan, even if she is in the wrong! I've always wanted to see Tyler and Bonnie together, so I hope they hive them a shot Smile are the originals actually getting their own show!? I thought it was a joke haha tongue

Steroline have an established relationship since season 2 but in season 3 was nonexistent like every other friendship that season except Dalaric. So imo this is not forced and actually the most realistic relationship on the show so far.

And why should Caroline be there for someone who effing slut shame her and wants her to be happy for her and the guy that abused her AND NEVER apologize nor feel remorse. This is same Elena that laughed at Damon's joke about abusing Caroline in season 1. BTW Stefan is more there for Caroline then Elena is. Also friendship or not it not smart to always be there for people are in the wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, Caroline has gone to the trio of dummies logic when comes to the cure and it really making me hope Tyler dumps her.

lol it's true though isn't it? Caroline did jump into bed with Damon the moment she met him. They both said some mean things to each other though, it wasn't just Elena who said some mean stuff. Caroline, like roar said, is just making it worse imo. Also, she shouldn't dish it out if she can't take it when the same is done to her. Was Elena just supposed to sit there and take it? Caroline started it, even though both Bonnie and Elena told her to quit.

Like, peopleare saying she has a right to hate Damon, ok she does, but the way she's going about trying to warn Elena about him is stupid. She could try to be nice about it, and try to reason with her about pursuing a relationship with Damon. She's not doing that though.

The first thing she does when she finds out about Elena's feelings for Damon is immediately bash the guy, try to get Elena back together with a guy whose no better than Damon, and say that Elena has a diseased mind. She's not trying to reason with Elena at all, all she does is bash Damon continuously and call SE epic.

She can hate Damon but she doesn't have the right to bash him imo. But let's just say she does, why do I have to sit and listen to her bash him every episode? Three episodes back-to-back she bashed the guy instead of trying to talk to Elena about Damon. Boonie hates vampires, but she's staying out of Elena's love life and not interfering. If Caroline wants to help Elena maybe she should go about it in a different way? Because all she's doing right now isn't helping at all, and she's just pissing Elena off.

And Damon, imo, has made it up to her many times. He didn't have to defend her to her mom. He didn't have to take a fatal werewolf bite for her. Actions speak louder than words right? So shouldn't she see how much he's changed from when he first came to town by his actions and behavior?


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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:54 pm

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Exactly, Caroline should be there for Elena more than Stefan, even if she is in the wrong! I've always wanted to see Tyler and Bonnie together, so I hope they hive them a shot Smile are the originals actually getting their own show!? I thought it was a joke haha tongue

Nope, no joke. One of the episodes this season will be used as a "pilot" for the spinoff, and will be used to decide whether this spinoff will get the green light or not. I think I read one of the episodes in April will be a Klaus and Hayley centric episode, that will be used to spin the spinoff. And how the fans respond to that episode will decide if the spinoff will happen or not.

Good for the Originals I guess, but I honestly don't see what they need their own show for. They are the most powerful vampires ever, so what would challenge them? And how would this show be different from TVD? I just don't think the spinoff will last that long if it gets greenlighted.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:04 pm

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Exactly, Caroline should be there for Elena more than Stefan, even if she is in the wrong! I've always wanted to see Tyler and Bonnie together, so I hope they hive them a shot Smile are the originals actually getting their own show!? I thought it was a joke haha tongue

Nope, no joke. One of the episodes this season will be used as a "pilot" for the spinoff, and will be used to decide whether this spinoff will get the green light or not. I think I read one of the episodes in April will be a Klaus and Hayley centric episode, that will be used to spin the spinoff. And how the fans respond to that episode will decide if the spinoff will happen or not.

Good for the Originals I guess, but I honestly don't see what they need their own show for. They are the most powerful vampires ever, so what would challenge them? And how would this show be different from TVD? I just don't think the spinoff will last that long if it gets greenlighted.

Now there is a chance the show won't get picked up as last time CW attempted to do a spin off with GG (it was about Lily) it didn't come to fruition and it made fans upset as they wasted the prom episode for that pilot that didn't turn into a show.

Also if it about the originals I need more than just Klaus and Rebekah (for some reason I don't think Daniel Gillies really wants to commit to the CW and Saving Hope is coming back for a second season in Canada. I also have bad feeling Kol is getting killed. See I would be okay if this show was taking place after the family got turned.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:13 pm

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that's really true, Elena is such a slut this season but Caroline has known her longer but I also get why Caroline would be on Srefans side. I think she should just keep out of it tbh, she's just making it worse. As I said earlier, I really don't like Caroline this season Sad

I don't like Caroline this season either but Elena has been known to butt in and judge other people's relationship as I recall she gave both Caroline and Jeremy grief over Tyler last season who was sired. Elena doesn't butt out of others business so why should anyone give her that. Also Elena even mention she wanted to talk about Damon so she being ridiculous on wanting to do that and expecting her friends to be okay with her talking about a guy who has been nothing but hurtful towards everyone in her life. Also she shouldn't had invited them over to Salvatore boarding house (her living there in the first place is whole another issue) as that was encouraging problems, what was wrong with having party at Bonnie's.

I wouldn't call Elena slut she is just incosiderate and dumb. If I was Caroline I would have punch Elena up side her damn head for her comment on Caroline's sexual history with Damon because it was not the same thing as what Elena did.

BTW Caroline has been on shit list since that thing with Chris. The only characters I like is Tyler and Bonnie with a side Jeremy who wants to murder Elena. I would say Matt but he needs to grow balls and tell the trio to shove it as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Episode 4x09 [O Come, All Ye Faithul]   Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:19 pm

I'm not over the others killing Chris either, it was just horrible what they did and especially since Tyler promised that he'd make sure he was okay. I was hoping Tyler would dump her then but they are somehow still together! Also, anyone else think it was odd in 4x09 that after Tyler left Caroline with the hybrids that she forgave him so quickly? I thought that she'd be more angry.. Neutral

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